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Missing marriage records

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 30 Jun 2015 01:09

possibly a name from further back in either Hugh or Susannah's family ....... eg parent or grandparent maiden name

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Rosezina

Rosezina Report 29 Jun 2015 22:15

Thanks LancashireAnn

I knew of Lan-opc and the great work they have done so far - this was where I was able to confirm the children's births too.

Another mystery has popped up regarding the Graham's. the birth of their daughter Catherine Upton Graham, in 1868 at St. James the Less church in Liverpool, the parish records for this church have not been transcribed..I have no idea what the name "Upton" means, the christening records state that Hugh and Susannah are her parents. Can anyone shed any light on this puzzle?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 28 Jun 2015 18:07

well done Ann!

I forgot look at lan-opc !

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jun 2015 17:51

marriage (from lan-opc

Marriage: 17 Apr 1836 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Stephen Kemp - (X), Mariner, This Parish
Rosa Ann McGraa - (X), Spinster, This Parish
Witness: David Graham; Sarah Gibson
Married by Licence by: Richard Appleton, Curate

Researching:
Liverpool (Cartwright, Chambers, Miller), Todmorden (Sutcliffe, Mallison), Abergavenny (Watkins, Prosser)

Rosezina

Rosezina Report 23 Jun 2015 10:35

Jacqueline, could be right. I know my grandmother's family were strict Catholics, and there is rumour further down the line that my grandfather converted to the Catholic faith to marry my gran (who was Susannah' Kemp's great-grandaughter).
many thanks

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 23 Jun 2015 09:16

As the children were baptised C of E, and Hugh's mother was Irish, perhaps he was R C, and therein lay a problem with regards to marrying

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 23 Jun 2015 08:24

freebmd has no record of any possible marriage - at any time, or in any location

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Jun 2015 04:13

lots of people back then didn't bother getting married ............. I sometimes think there were as many common-law couples as there are today!

One reason of course, was the fact that divorces were impossible to get for any but the very rich, so people whose marriage failed either had to live common-law or marry bigamously.

I see that Jacqueline has ruled out an earlier marriage for either Hugh or Susannah before their first child was born?

Have you looked for a marriage much later?

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Rosezina

Rosezina Report 22 Jun 2015 22:45

thanks everyone for the posts. I already had all the above info thanks. I find it hard to believe that a couple living in a big religious city like Liverpool in the 1860s would baptise their 6 children and not bother to get wed. I know it's possible of course.. I think I need to expand my search beyond Liverpool!

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 22 Jun 2015 19:58

Baptism: 20 Sep 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Kemp - [Child] of Stephen Kemp & Rose Ann
Abode: Vauxhall Road
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Thos. Halton Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1840, Page 395, Entry 3154
Source: LDS Film 1656423

Baptism: 29 May 1842 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Stephen Kemp - [Child] of Stephen Kemp & Rosanna
Born: 12 Apr 1842
Abode: Freemasons Row
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. G. Headlam Curate
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1842, Page 295, Entry 2357
Source: LDS Film 1656424

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 22 Jun 2015 19:54

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court, No 3 Paul Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Stephen Kemp Head Married Male 39 1812 Mariner Stays A Home Kent, England Transcription
Roseanna Kemp Wife - Female 36 1815 - Woolwich, Kent, England Transcription
Susannah Kemp Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Stephen Kemp Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Thomas Kemp Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Court, 3, Gladstone Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bryanna Kemp Head Widow Female 47 1814 Charwoman Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Susanna Kemp Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1838 Charwoman Lancashire, England

So neither of them had married anyone else.....................which means they were free to marry, but obviously didn't bother, for some reason

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Jun 2015 18:33

not seeing a marriage

Name: Hugh Graham
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Jul 1862
Christening Place: St. Bartholomew's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Hugh Graham
Mother's Name: Susan Graham

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01984-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1656153 , Reference ID: item 1 p 142

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Jun 2015 18:33

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Vescox Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hugh Graham Head Married Male 40 1841 Porter At Docks Ireland Transcription
Susanah Graham Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Margaret Graham Daughter Single Female 16 1865 At Home Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Eliza Graham Daughter Single Female 14 1867 At Home Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Rose Ann Graham Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Jane Graham Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Margaret Graham Mother Widow Female 63 1818 - Ireland >>>>>>>
George Bennet Boarder Head Widower Male 52 1829 Labourer Scotland Transcription
George Bennet Son Single Male 26 1855 Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
James Bennet Son Single Male 18 1863 Porter At Coals Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 22 Jun 2015 18:31


Susanna Lemp

in the 1861 England Census
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Name: Susanna Lemp
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Mother's name: Rosanna Lemp
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Vauxhall
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Howard Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Piece: 2662
Folio: 88
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Rosanna Lemp 47
Susanna Lemp 25

Looks like Kemp to me on original. Mother is a widow.

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Jun 2015 18:29

????
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hopwood Street Court, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hugh Graham Head - Male 30 1841 -occ dock porter Lancashire, England
Susan Graham Wife - Female 31 1840 - Lancashire, England
Eliza Graham Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
Margret Graham Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 22 Jun 2015 18:26

Name: Susannah Kemp
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 Dec 1837
Christening Place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Stephen Kemp
Mother's Name: Rosanna

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02053-3 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 93882 , Reference ID: v 27 p 184

Researching:
Breakspears of Berkshire and Cardiff, Williams and Harman of Whitchurch, Melingriffith &Tongwynlais,Glamorgan WE HAVE NO CONNECTION Do not share your tree with me

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Jun 2015 18:21

Maybe they never married !

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 22 Jun 2015 18:20

Have you found Susannah in 1861?

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MargaretM

MargaretM Report 22 Jun 2015 18:19

Is this him in 1861?


Hugh Graham

in the 1861 England Census

Name: Hugh Graham
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Relation: Son (Child)
Mother's name: Margaret Chalmer
Gender: Male
Where born: L'pool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 301
Piece: 2654
Folio: 27
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Chalmer 47
Hugh Graham 20

He's a dock porter.

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

Rosezina

Rosezina Report 22 Jun 2015 18:02

Can anyone help? I have been searching for my 3 x great grandparents marriage records for months and found nothing.

Hugh Graham (dock porter) born 1841, Liverpool,
Susannah Kemp born 1837 in St. Peter's Church Liverpool.

They had 6 children which I have found on all the census forms for 1871 - 1901 and on Church of England parish records - but no sign of their marriage. They lived at many addresses in the Vauxhall area of Liverpool. Their first child Hugh, was born in July 1862, so I think they may have married between 1858-1861.
:-(