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It is said that this man lived in Garston

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Frederick Ellis
Birth Place: Ludlow, Salop
Residence: Garston, Liverpool
Death Date: 22 Apr 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Shrewsbury
Rank: Private
Regiment: Shropshire Light Infantry
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Regimental Number: 5883
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Unfortunately the CWGC entry doesn't give details of relatives

ELLIS, FREDERICK
Rank: Private
Service No:5883
Date of Death: 22/04/1916
Regiment/Service:King's Shropshire Light Infantry 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 47 and 49.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929
Name: Frederick Ellis
Gender: Male
Death Date: 22 Apr 1916
Death Place: Belgium
Rank: Private
Regiment: Shropshire Light Infantry
Regimental Number: 5883

Effects ie pay owed sent in 1919 & 1920 to his widow Edith.

But is she 'your' Edith? If so, she hadn't remarried by 1919.

Suggestion only for Edith's marriage - only the cert will tell you if its the correct one

Name: Edith Percival
Spouse Surname: Ellis - Frederick
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Liverpool

There are a number of Ellis/Percival births, in particular

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
ELLIS Frederick W Percival W. Derby 8b 1291

As the marriage, if correct, was at the beginning of WW1, there is a possibility that Frederick died and that Edith remarried. Needle and haystack time again!

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Name: George Percival
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Mar 1967
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 130

Edith's ER entry would give her married name. Then we can work out who her children were.

The ER are probably held at Liverpool
https://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries/archives-family-history/
Contact them to confirm, arrange a visit or to ask how much they'd charge to search on your behalf.

Maps show a Garston OLD Road. Was this the correct name?

Hi,
thanks for the advice.I have tried most of the things you suggest but thats the problem. George did not marry , Edith did. She had two daugthers but as I do not know her married name I cannot trace her through her children. Finding Georges death certificate is a good idea ,I can remember him dying as that was the last time I was in their house as a child with my mother
thanks again Margaret

As historical ER aren't indexed and online for Garston, it's difficult to tell where they were.

As you know where they lived in the 1960's, track down the electoral roll for the address and work back in the years. At least you'll be able to work in and moved out.. The ER are probably held at the local archives/local studies centre.

Books of ER are arranged by address, not by surname

The 1939 Identity Cards are due to released later this year. As they will be indexed, it might be possible to find Edith and her brother.

To be honest, it's almost impossible for outsiders to know when or where someone else lived every year of their lives. If every single set of historical electoral rolls were indexed and on line, there might be a better chance.

Did either of them marry or have children? The birth/marriage certificates would give the address at that time. Were they informants on their parents or siblings death certificates? Again, they'd have to give their address.

If

Hi Margaret. These census records are for OUR benefit as we like to see details of all the family as it sometimes helps us to find them.

So please bear with us and hopefully someone may be able to help you.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Wainwright Grove Garston, Garston, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
William Percival Head Married Male Dock Labourer 54 1857 Lymm Cheshire
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Ann Percival Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Lymm Cheshire
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James Percival Son Single Male Gardener Domestic 18 1893 Garston
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William Percival Son - Male School 14 1897 Lymm Cheshire
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George Percival Son - Male School 10 1901 Canton Lancs
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Edward Percival Son - Male School 5 1906 Canton Lancs


and Edith



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Ashbourne Road Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Edward Johnson Head Married Male Retired Grocer 61 1850 Lancs St Helens
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Mary Ann Johnson Wife Married Female - 66 1845 Lancs Newton Le Williams
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>>Edith Percival Servant Single Female General 19 1892 Cheshire Llym
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Reggie Thompson Grandson - Male - 6 1905 Cheshire Chester


If Edith was with George in the '60s, does that mean she never married?

Thank You for this information but i know where she was in 1911, it is after this I have lost trace of her. I know Edith and George lived in Duke street in Garston in the late 50s/early 60s. it is the time in between i am looking at.

Margaret

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Edith Percival
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Edith Percival
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Garston, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Civil Parish Garston
Ecclesiastical Parish St Michael
Sub-District Wavertree
Registration District West Derby
Gender Female
Age 9
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace Lymm, Cheshire
Schedule Type 249
Page Number 45
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

William Percival Head M 43 Lymm, Cheshire
Ann Percival Wife F 37 Lymm, Cheshire
John H Percival Son M 13 Lymm, Cheshire
Edith Percival Daughter F 9 Lymm, Cheshire
James Percival Son M 7 Garston, Lancashire
William Percival Son M 4 Lymm, Cheshire

Sorry I should have given you more information.Edith and George were my Grandfathers sister and brother. Edith was born in Lymm in Cheshire in 1892 and George was born in Liverpool in 1901. Their parents were William Percival and Ann Bate both from Cheshire. Other brothers were John Henry (my Grandfather),James, William all born in Lymm and Edward born in Liverpool.

Thanks Margaret.

I'll let Margaret know how to find her replies :-)

Welcome to the boards Margaret.

As Ann said, we need more information to be able to help you. Bear in mind that anything you post here can be picked up on an Internet search.

When approx was he born, and where?
What was his sister's name?
Do you know the names of his parents?

Failing all else, you could visit the nearest library which hold historic electoral rolls and search all of Duke Street for any Percival listings.
George may have been too young, but other Percival relatives may have registered to vote.

If you have a good idea of his year of birth, then use the search all member trees - top right under search - and send a message to any tree owners. They may be related.

could I say there are dozens of George Percival's living in Liverpool - you really have to be more specific

welcome to the boards Margaret

any idea when he was born? what is your connection and what is the name of his sister?

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Name George Percival
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1985
Registration District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Event Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 24 Dec 1931
Volume 36
Page 274

CAN ANYBODY HELP WITH INFORMATION ABOUT GEORGE PERCIVAL AND HIS SISTER WHO LIVED IN DUKE STREET IN GARSTON LIVERPOOL ABOUT 1960. THANK YOU MARGARET