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Hi, guys, my subscription expires tomorrow so time for one last question. Several family members and I can't locate my great granddad Edward Stephen stokes (he called himself Stephen on most documents) on the 1891 or 1901 census. He was born 1863 and married Hannah smith in uppingham 1893 and I have him on the 1881 census as a servant from whissendine, Rutland but sadly, he changed his age and was constantly on the move from Yorkshire to wales to the midlands before dying in Swansea in1920 but he and his wife Hannah vanished between 1891-1901. I have them back again in 1911 but would appreciate any help in locating them on the census between 1891-1901. Hannah Smith (Bown) was born 1876 in Warton. P.S, their daughter Emma Stokes was born Barnsley in 1901 but I still can't find them there. Best.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Stephen Stoker Head Married Male Dock Labourer 48 1863 Whissendine Transcription
Hannah Stoker Wife Married Female - 43 1868 Warton Transcription
Charley Stoker Son Single Male School 13 1898 Beighton Transcription
George Stoker Spouse Single Male - 8 1903 Horbery Transcription
John James Stoker Son Single Male - 7 1904 Christone Transcription
William Stoker Son - Male - 5 1906 Tysley Transcription
Samall Stoker Son - Male - 2 1909 Doncaster Transcription
Emma Stoker Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Broomhill Transcription
Elizabeth Stoker Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Hull Transcription

Note transcribed as Stoker,,,1911.


First name(s) Stephen
Last name Stoker
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Occupation Dock Labourer
Age 48
Birth year 1863
Birth place Whissendine
Address Frodsham Street Marfleet Hull
Parish Sculcoates
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Sculcoates
Registration district number 521
Enumeration district 19
District number -
Sub district Drypool
Sub district number 6
Census reference RG14PN28676 RG78PN1648 RD521 SD6 ED19 SN190
Piece number 28676

Edward Stephen Stokes
England Births and Christenings
Name Edward Stephen Stokes
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Nov 1863
Christening Place Whissendine, Rutland, England
Father's Name Joseph Stokes
Mother's Name Mary Stokes

Edward Stephen Stokes
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name Edward Stephen Stokes
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1893
Registration District Uppingham
County Rutlandshire
Event Place Uppingham, Rutlandshire, England
Volume 7A
Page 593
Line Number 57

Edward Stephen Stokes probably married one of the following people
Name James Bryan
Name Annie Eleanor Ford
Name Hannah Smith

Edward Stokes
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name Edward Stokes
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Leicestershire
Parish Thurmaston
Sub-District Syston
Registration District Barrow Upon Soar
Gender Male
Age 38
Birthplace Whissendine, Rutlandshire
Record Type Household

there is no edward stoker born 1863 rutland the name is stokes

and in 1911 is transcribed as >>Stoker.<<

this is the only edward stephen born 1863 in rutland and looks like he could have died

Births Dec 1863 (>99%)
STOKES Edward Stephen Oakham 7a 247

Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%)
STOKES Edward Steven Oakham 7a 189

cant see a death in swansea 1920

Hi, Edward Stephen stokes was listed as working in middlesborough in 1920 where his death certificate indicated, but he actually died at his Swansea address. I have him in 1911, I just cant find him in the 1891 and 1901 census, thanks.

Deaths Mar 1920 (>99%)
STOKES Edward S 48 Middlesbro' 9d 784

but this would make him born in 1872

Births Dec 1872
Stokes Edward Oakham 7a 282

This caused some confusion in my initial searching but it is him and Edward was born in whissendine 1863 and died aged 57 in Swansea 1920. Jut a grieving widows mistake.

Do you actually have that death certificate?

Have you found the births for Charley, George and Emma, seeing as they were born either side of 1901?

Who was this?

Name: Edward Stephen Stokes
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 May 1896
Christening Place: Hillmorton, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Edward Stephen Stokes
Mother's Name: Hannah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02351-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1067470
Reference ID: item 2 p 16

Rose

Oh, he died:

Deaths Dec 1896
Stokes Edward Stephen 1 Rugby 6d 360

Birth?

Births Sep 1895
Stokes Edward Stephen Barrow S. 7a 170

Rose

Hi, yes, I have the cert signed by my great nan at her usual address. The Edward stephen stokes who died in rugby was my great granddads son. I know the births of all their children, I just cant find him and Hannah in the 1891 and 1901 census. Thanks.

If you could list the births of any children around the time of the censuses it could help narrow down where we should be looking.

For instance, Emma was born c1901 in the Sheffield area according to the 1911 census but I don't see a birth.

Rose

Matthew said in his OP Emma was born Barnsley. Googling Broomhill, Barnsley (1911 census pob for Emma is Broomhill) does bring up a Broomhill, Barnsley, although freebmd doesn't show it specifically as a Barnsley RD civil Parish
So this birth Reg?

Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
Stokes Emma Barnsley 9c 284

It doesn't help that no County has been entered on the 1911 census form and there are choices for a couple of them !!

I see in 1911 that Stephen is a Dock Labourer. Is it possible he was working abroad for a period or periods and may have taken family with him?