Genealogy Chat

The children Emma Elizabeth had with Alfred James Barber both died young so no offspring. I am focussing on the Lloyd side as Ellen could have had a family.
Arthur, Ethel and Emma Lloyd have now come to light with the informagion Rose has posted on here :-)

It might help us to know which line you are following. For instance, have you already researched Emma Elizabeth's children with Mr Lloyd? Or is Emma, from your point of view, a marry-in to the Lloyds?

Re the Invasion zone post - This is the CWGC entry for the man
BARBER, WILLIAM ANDREW

Rank: Private
Service No: 2048
Date of Death: 03/11/1914
Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: II. F. 10.
Cemetery: NAVES COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

Additional Information:
Son of Mrs. Elizabeth Sarah Barber, of 33, Hosier St., Church St., Deptford, London.
..........

So obviously a Barber family member, but not a child of Emma and Alfred, nor of Mary Ann Richards and Alfred. They married in 1910.

Emma A died:

Deaths Jun 1916
Lloyd Emma A 1 Greenwich 1d 977

Rose

Did you mention these 3?

Births Sep 1911
Lloyd Arthur E Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1808

Births Jun 1915
Lloyd Emma A Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1795

Births Sep 1918
Lloyd Ethel M Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1266

Rose

Interesting but topic locked
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152293

Interesting but topic locked
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152293

We know the feeling - when you're engrossed, time can pass in a flash. :-D

Sorry, I think the Lewisham Arthur J Barber was a mistake as went to bed a bit late ;-)

Ah - no wonder there wasn't a correct 1929 birth reg ;-)

This is how the known children are listed on the index. You have already stated that they are deceased

Births Jun 1927
Barber Violet J mmn Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1295
Lloyd Violet J mmn Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1295

Births Jun 1929
Barber Eric T mmn Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1218
Lloyd Eric T mmn Dobbins Greenwich 1d 1218

Compare the way those are listed with that for Alfred J Barber
Births Mar 1929
Barber Alfred J mmn Brett Greenwich

1- his entry isn't double entered under Lloyd, or anything else for that matter.
2 - his mothers maiden name is different
3 - Alfred could have been born any time between late Nov 1928 & late Mar 1929
4 - Eric could have been born anytime mid to late Mar 1929- late Jun 1929.
The dates don't 'add up'.

Its quite possible that the cremation entry posted earlier is incorrect, but it does match up with the death index for Alfred J Barber born 1913, Alfred James Barber's son with Mary Ann Richards

Detective posted earlier a probable marriage of Alfred James Barber to Mary Ann Richards and the birth of a son Alfred James Barber in 1913 with mmn Richards.

The birth in 1929 of an Alfred James Barber shows mmn as Brett.

Alfred Snr and Emma are together by this time so another birth entirely surely.

Plus the Eric you mention in your opening post -
Eric T Barber/LLoyd is born 1929 (Barber mmn Dobbins) and dies 1929

Sorry - signing off for the night

Were have you found an Arthur J Dobbins/Barber/Lloyd born 1929 Lewisham?
Could you copy and paste the entry please?

Do you mean this death?

Name: Alfred James Barber
Birth Date: 21 May 1913
Date of Registration: Mar 1983
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 12
Page: 1402

It does tie in with this birth

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Barber Alfred J Richards Greenwich 1d 1856

It would be unusual to name a second son the same as one still living.
The one listed above is likely to be the one on the ER with Alfred James Barber (his father) and Emma Elizabeth Lloyd in 1930.
A child born in 1929 wouldn't be eligible to vote until 1950.

I think Alfred James Barber junior was born in Greenwich in 1929 as there is a birth with this name so probably both Alfred and Emma's son. This would rule out a death in 1983.

Although divorce was possible, it was quite expensive to arrange. There are many couples who seperated and just became known as Mrs (new partner).
Some even entered into bigamus 2nd (or 3rd!) marriages

Thank you greyghost and detective
I wonder if Emma was a bit naughty and never oficially divorced her first husband Arthur Loyd but moved in with Arthur Barber.
Rumour has it that Arthur Albert Lloyd constantly went to sea although he was a railway printer in 1911. There must be shipping records to confirm the rumour.
;-)

We forgot to ask the obvious - have you searched all members trees to see if anyone lists Ellen Elizabeth Lloyd? They may know what became of her.

The marriage to Arthur Parker is a possibility, but it does need the MC to confirm

1939 register
Parker Household Greenwich, London, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Ellen Parker 1909
Arthur Parker 1906

Dunno - perhaps not

London ER - sharing with 2 other ladies
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Lloyd
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Deptford
Street address: 52 Deptford Church

Just adding any possible marriage refs based on the location

Marriages Mar 1936 (>99%)
Lloyd Ellen Parker Greenwich 1d 1106
PARKER Arthur Lloyd Greenwich 1d 1106


First name(s) ELLEN E
Last name LLOYD
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1937
Registration month -
Spouse's last name GOLDER
District SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 62

MarriageFinder™ ELLEN E LLOYD married FREDERICK A GOLDER
..........


First name(s) ELLEN E
Last name LLOYD
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1942
pouse's last name STROUD
District BATTERSEA
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 703
ELLEN E LLOYD married ERNEST R STROUD