Genealogy Chat

Alfred,
Costermongers were primarily in London. Mine (some fruit & veg, but mainly fish) were around Chelsea, Kensington and Fulham.

From your description I would tend to agree that the term traveller would be more appropriate. There are quite a number of sites that come up when you Google costermonger.
Wiki has a good description. And I like this one:-

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/work/costermonger.html

Yes li should be costermonger my father Alfred Joyner born 1905 .? When I was about ten I remember couple came to the house and the woman came and hugged him my brother said it was his sister and they had a horse a cart my brother said they were costermongers my dad told me he used to put oranges in water to make them bigger he also said he used to make charcoal he also knew how to make flowers with paper and candle wax he met my mother Elsie in a horse and cart it all seems to me that he was a traveller and I think he lived with his sister and might have used the name Joyner
Hope this is helpful Alfred


:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

It's tempting to go back further (parents of Frederick were Frederick Joyner and Fanny Young) Especially for me as one of my lines was in the Queenborough area. But Alfred is asking for 1905 - 1930 info.

I do hope he comes back on this thread. I am interested in why he gave the title as Costmonger. I presume he means Costermonger - of which I have a number in another line.

Transcription errors:-
Queenborough not Greenborough
Halfway House not Holbury Horne

And Frederick wrote "N3, " so No 3.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Edwins Place Newington Sittingbourne, Newington, Kent, England


Frederick Joyner Head Married Male Painter 33 1878 Kent Sheerness on Sea
Ellen Joyner Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Kent Strood
Frederick Joyner Son Single Male School 13 1898 Kent Greenbough
Bertie Joyner Son Single Male School 12 1899 Kent Sheerness Transcription
Arthur Joyner Son Single Male - 9 1902 Kent Sheerness
Alfred Joyner Son Single Male - 6 1905 Kent Sheerness
Reginald Joyner Son Single Male - 2 1909 Kent Holbury Horne Minster Sheerness

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Joyner Alfred William Sheppey 2a 1013

would say this is likely given the brother's name.

with a quick check , some one has Reginald born 1909 in their tree

Further to RR's comments.
There are a number of Ancestry Public trees with this family in.

ricky_book_EN
Public Member Tree
1 attached record, 1 source
Alfred Joyner
Birth: 1905
Death: 1974 - Ashford, Kent
Marriage: Cranbrook, Kent
Spouse: Elsie Elizabeth Joyner [Burchett]

No info on his parents. But:

kim Reeves Family Tree
Public Member Tree
1 attached record, 2 sources
Alfred Joyner
Birth: 1905 - Kent F: Frederick Joyner M: Ellen Matilda Sunnocks

These parent names tie to a 1911 census entry.

No 3 Edwin Place, Newington, Sittingbourne, Kent

Given marriage location and date of birth i think this is the family mistranscribed on the 1939 register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION (PREVIEW)
JaynerHousehold
Hollingbourne R.D., Kent, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Elsie Jayner 1908
Alfred W Jayner is also on this record
5 more people who are officially closed

Alfred

you should stick to one thread otherwise helpers are spending time on what may have already been found

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1358028

Plus
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1358030

I have pm'd Alfred on how to return to his threads

I guess from info on your tree that you are looking for info on your father's family in the Kent/London area, it would be useful if you have his father's name from the marriage cert, it will then be easier to find him on the 1911 census and also any siblings.

Alfred, you will need to be more specific on location and names please, as advised on on your other thread, search trees, but if you need help with finding specific ancestors please give all the info you have, names, dates and locations will help us to help you. :-)

Does anyone have any information from 1905 /1930 on joyner