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Parish records for that time didn't record father's names on marriage records. They were only added when marriage certificates started in July 1837.

Kath. x

does it give Thomas's fathers name?

Ellen Hallam aged 65 is in a household with Wm Marsland I think with the other named persons together but under the same roof.

Below Ellen these people are listed together on the transcript but the Hallams and Frays (if that is the surname) are again 2 families

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Lane, Stockport, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
M Duke Fray Male 50 1791 -
Anne Fray Female 38 1803 Cheshire, England
Thomas Fray Male 4 1837 Cheshire, England
Samuel Fray Male 1 1840 Cheshire, England
John Hallam Male 18 1823 Cheshire, England
James Hallam Male 16 1825 Cheshire, England
George Hallam Male 11 1830 Cheshire, England
Mary Hallam Female 9 1832 Cheshire, England

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This is then the other Hallam household on the same page

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Lane, Stockport, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Hallam Male 40 1801 Cheshire, England
Sarah Hallam Female 40 1801 Cheshire, England
Ann Hallam Female 20 1821 Cheshire, England
Ellis Hallam Male 15 1826 Cheshire, England
Maria Hallam Female 13 1828 Cheshire, England

Thank you all for your help.

I think CHEAP is Cheadle(see below) and Wm Thomson is the Vicar looking at the original.

Diocese of Chester Bishop's Transcripts of Marriages c1600-1910 Transcription

First name(s) ELLEN
Last name HALLAM
Birth year -
Marriage date 01 Jan 1837
Marriage year 1837
Church -
Place CHEADLE
Spouse's first name(s) THOMAS
Spouse's last name EDWARDS
Bride's age -
Bride's birth place -
Bride's residence Cheadle
Groom's residence Cheadle
City or town Cheadle
County Cheshire

Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
Edwards Thomas Stockport 19 273

????

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
EDWARDS Ellen 24 Marple Stockport MAR/2/26

On the 1841 census that greyghost posted there is a John and Sarah Hallam further down the page who could possibly be Ellen's parents. Possible that the older Ellen living with Thomas and Ellen could be her grandmother. It is difficult to tell as relationships are not given on the 1841 census and some ages are rounded down.

Kath. x

The original parish record is shown on Findmypast.

Kath. x

Andy's Mum and Kathleen's replies shows Wm Marsland as Witness, which is a name on the 1841 census I posted

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840 to 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
EDWARDS Richard Marple Stockport HALLAM MAR/2/26
EDWARDS Thomas Marple Stockport HALLAM MAR/2/95

This is from the Parish Register. Jan 1837 is too early for a certificate.


Field Name Field Value
KEYCODE CHDLM03802073.10060
PADVER chdlM2073.1
PARISH CHEADLE
TAGGED 0
DATED 8370101
GROOM_FORENAME THOMAS
GROOM_SURNAME EDWARDS
GROOM_RESIDENCE CHEAP
GROOM_SIGN X
BANNS BS
BRIDE_FORENAME ELLEN
BRIDE_SURNAME HALLAM
BRIDE_RESIDENCE CHEAP
BRIDE_SIGN X
WITNESS FORENAME_1 GEORGE
WITNESS SURNAME_1 SMITH
WITNESS FORENAME_2 WILLIAM
WITNESS SURNAME_2 MARSLAND X
C_FNAME WILLIAM
C_SNAME THOMSON

Not sure what Cheap is short for and I think the last name is the Cleric.

No parents shown.

Not sure if it's the right Ellen but on the IGI there is a birth of an Ellen Hallam in 1817 and it gives her parents as Henry Hallam and Julia Elton.

EDiT - think this might be the wrong one.

Kath. x

Could this be your family in 1841, possibly with Ellen Hallam as Mother or even grandmother?
EDIT - Wm Marsland is shown as witness on marriages listed be Kath and later Andys Mum

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Lane, Stockport, Cheshire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Edwards Male 25 1816 - Transcription
Ellen Edwards Female 22 1819 Cheshire, England Transcription
William Edwards Male 5 1836 Cheshire, England Transcription
James Edwards Male 3 1838 Cheshire, England Transcription
Richard Edwards Male 0 1841 Cheshire, England Transcription
William Marsland Male 55 1786 - Transcription
Ellen Hallam Female 65 1776 Cheshire, England Transcription

The witnesses were George Smith and William Marsland. Not sure who William Marsland was but it looks as if George Smith was someone from the church as he is a witness to the other marriages on the page.

Both Thomas and Ellen and William Marsland just made their mark (meaning they couldn't write).

Kath. x

Hi

They married 1st of January 1837 in Cheadle Cheshire. I found this on familysearch would like to find parents and the witnesses if possible

Any help much appreciated :-)