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hi I'm researching Fanny Eliza Ann Hutchinson nee Howell from Grimsby. I know she was estranged from her husband and lived with a man called Loftis who she later married in 1948 but I cannot find her on the 1939 census. Ive been looking for quite a while and any help would be appreciated. I have access to the census but cannot find anything
Thanks Annie

what is her birth date?

that is often the clue to finding entries on the 1939 Register, as there are many mis-transcribings.

Plus, some people have found to be still closed even though they were born before 1925 because there is no certified death for them.

Typo Sylvia. There's a 100 year closure, so currently 1915.

If she died in Australia, the death is often not listed on the 1939 and possibly why it's closed?

Name: Fanny Eliza Ann Loftis
Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 78
Death Place: Western Australia
Father's name: Benjamin
Mother's name: Fanny
Registration Year: 1968
Registration Place: Wellington, Western Australia
Registration Number: 66/68

???? A widow, moving to Australia permanently, last permanent address England.
(Although, if this the right person, she should be somewhere on the 1939 register in UK - unless, of course, the record's closed, as previously suggested.)

F Loftis
in the Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: F Loftis
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: England
Departure Place: Tilbury, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 6 Aug 1963
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Age on Arrival: 73
Vessel: Oronsay


Did she have relatives in Australia, Annie?

Looks like Albert died later the same year they married:

Marriages Mar 1948 (>99%)
HOWELL Fanny E Loftis Grimsby 3b 627
Hutchinson Fanny E Loftis Grimsby 3b 627
Loftis Albert E Hutchinson Grimsby 3b 627
Loftis Albert E Howell Grimsby 3b 627


Deaths Dec 1948 (>99%)
Loftis Albert E 54 Hull 2a 155


I can't see her marriage to Mr Hutchinson.

EDIT:
Yes, this is probably it - haven't looked for husband yet:
Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
HOWELL Fanny Eliza Grimsby 7a 1[35]63

First marriage? What was the husband's name?

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
HOWELL Fanny Eliza Grimsby 7a 1[35]63

She has either left him, or he was elsewhere in 1911 if correct
Fanny Hutchinson
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Clee
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 58 Harold St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Grimsby
Registration District Number: 422
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 19977
Household Members:
Name Age

Fanny Hutchinson 21
Annie Hutchinson 11 < Sister in law
Wm Norman Hutchinson Under 6/12 < Son

Another child?
Births Sep 1914
HUTCHINSON Edna Howell Grimsby 7a 1064

Although you probably know this, sometimes we can find a related family member which leads to the rest

One of these will be Mr Hutchinson - I would guess William George, going by the page no.:

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
HUTCHINSON Arthur Grimsby 7a 1382
HUTCHINSON William George Grimsby 7a 1363

William N Hutchinson
in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: William N Hutchinson
Spouse Surname: Madge Reynolds
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration district: Grimsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 1807

A tree on Ancestry agrees that Fanny died 1968 in Australia.


09 Apr1968 • 12B Nuytsia Ave, Bunbury, Western Australia

She was born in1890 in Grimsby her first husband was William Henry Hutchinson her maiden name was Howell. She married loftis in 1948 but she married William in 1910 and according to the papers her marrage only lasted a year as she was having an affair. Theres one daughter to the marriage Edna Hutchinson that I know of definitely. My thoughts are that she stayed with William and had further children to him but I'm not sure.
Thanks for all your help
Annie

A tree on Ancestry says Edna married Ernest James Curtis, and died in Grimsby in 1998.

Travelling on the same voyage as F Loftis in 1963 - this explains why Fanny went to Australia:

E Curtis
in the Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: E Curtis
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1914
Birth Place: England
Departure Place: Tilbury, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 6 Aug 1963
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Age on Arrival: 49
Vessel: Oronsay

Also husband E Curtis, 48, chemical su.

All intending to remain permanently in Australia, but Edna at least must have returned later.

Photo of Ernest Curtis - who died in Grimsby 2001, so also returned from Australia:

http://tinyurl.com/gqoxcs3

There are also other photos of both Ernest and Edna on Ancestry.

Living with Edna at 12b Nuytsia Avenue, where Fanny died:


Ernest James Curtis
in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Ernest James Curtis
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1968
Subdistrict: Bunbury
State: Western Australia
District: Forrest
Country: Australia


And was still there in 1977.

that's were Edna got too ! thank you so much could I ask how to get this sort of information about relatives in Australia
thanks Annie

I've found it all on Ancestry.co.uk

You wouldn't find really recent records there, though - it only goes up so far.

If you were to edit the title of this thread to include mention of Australia, it might attract the attention of helpers in Australia, who might have access to local records - I'm not sure what they can access.

what a great day. Took on advice from everyone and found Albert and fanny under laptis but looking at original it is loftis wooohooo !

FindMyPast (commonly called FMP for short) has a lot of Australian records ...... but is a subscription site.

trove is a site where you can search Australian newspapers, and is free .........

http://trove.nla.gov.au/


then you can access some State bmds, some are free others are not


just google name of state + bmd (eg Queensland bmds) and see what comes up in the way of State Government site.

thank you
I'm going to send for some certificates do you know how I could access Australian deaths on the internet and send for them please
Annie

sorry just realised you've given me the BMD answer