Genealogy Chat

Hello everyone.
Please would someone be kind enough to see if they can make out the relationship of James and Sarah to the 'Surnens'?
Thank you.

1861

Name: James Williams
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: 1851
Relation: Nurse
Gender: Male
Where born: Brumpton Bryon, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Lyonshall
County/Island: Herefordshire

Registration district: Presteigne
Sub-registration district: Kington

James Surnen 55
Eliza Surnen 55
Sarah Williams 11 (also says 'nurse')
James Williams 10

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Woonton Ash, Presteigne, Radnorshire, Wales



James Sumer Head Married Male 55 1806 Farmer 33 Acres - Transcription
Eliza Sumer Wife Married Female 55 1806 - New Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales Transcription
Sarah Williams Nurse - Female 11 1850 House Servant New Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales Transcription
James Williams ... - Male 10 1851 Carters Boy -

Sarah I think is Niece mispelled

James 'Nevew' nephew

:-D

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Name James Williams
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Staunton Upon Arrow, Herefordshire, England
Registration District Kington
Residence Note Staunton Park
Gender Male
Age 30
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Groom (D)
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851
Birthplace Lyonshall, Herefordshire, England
Page Number 14
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2611/11
Affiliate Record Type Household

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Name James Williams
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1901
Registration District Hereford
County Herefordshire
Event Place Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 50
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851
Volume 6A
Page 377
Line Number 58

I agree with RR

the word used for Sarah is Neuse, and that for James is Nevew

think of a Welsh speaker trying to spell words said in English :-)

The Welsh word for niece would, I think, be nith, and the Welsh for nephew would be nai

that's according to BBC Wales - Welsh at home - The family (1)

Hi Rose, An & Sylvia.
Sorry to have disappeared!
That's an enormous help, thank you so much. I agree with you, it makes sense.
Much appreciated.
Jan x

In passing, I think it's Turner not Surnen or Sumer!

I wonder if this is Sarah:

1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVY-1JJX
Event Place New Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales
Registration District Presteigne
Piece/Folio 2492 / 175 Page Number 18
William Williams Head M 38 New Radnor, Radnorshire
Ann Williams Wife F 32 Llandewy, Radnorshire
Mary Williams Daughter F 4 New Radnor, Radnorshire
Sarah Williams Daughter F 1 New Radnor, Radnorshire
John Williams Father M 72 New Radnor, Radnorshire
Sarah Davies Niece F 9 Llanbister, Radnorshire
Aaron Morgan Lodger M 14 Llanfihangel Rhydithon, Radnorshire
[Registration Sub-District: 2 Radnor ff.88-227.]
[New Radnor is 40km NW of Hereford, abt 5km inside Radnorshire]

There is a William Williams marr in New Radnor of the right approx date
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCY3-LM6
Name William Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 30 Nov 1845
Event Place New Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Ann Robinson

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCY3-PDT
Name William Williams
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Dec 1845
Event Place New Radnor, Radnorshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Ann Robinson

Although both transcriptions claim "Event Type Marriage", I think the earlier one is a banns record.
I don't have an FMP/GR sub to check the images.

Banns read on

November 30th
December 7th
December 14th

Marriage took place on December 17th. Williams father was John and Anns father was Solomon. Witnesses were Benjamin Williams and Thomas Smith.


Chris