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Laura Annie Jay / Beecham / Archer 1905

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malyon

malyon Report 22 Mar 2016 17:53

this death for laura annie must be the right one posted by mary i checked other records for archer married to a laura annie there was ne but she was born year5s before your laura also checked for births for laura annie archer there is 4 but again born years before your laura so this death must be her


LAURA ANNIE ARCHER

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Cheshire
Year
1994
Birth Year
1905
Event Quarter
3
District
STOCKPORT

KeithG

KeithG Report 22 Mar 2016 09:09

Thanks rootgatherer, but it looks unlikely to me. Then again, I've eliminated all the *likely* possibilities!

It seems to me improbable that someone who lived in Lincoln for a long time before her death, the phone book from 1980 has her listed there, should die somewhere else. Of course it's possible, the Stockport record might be her if she was visiting someone for example or on holiday, if one accepts the birth date difference as a typo. Maybe I need to order that death certificate for elimination purposes.

And then you have the assertion of 7 September 1988 in Lincoln which seems far more credible, but there's no record (that I can find) to back it up.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 22 Mar 2016 08:07

If Archer died 1946 and Beecham 1959 have you ruled this one out please? DOB matches father's military record.

Laura Annie Moores
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1905
Date of Registration: Nov 1985
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 632


EDIT

Maybe not, that might be this lady

Laura Annie Moores
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1905
Baptism Place: Stranton, Durham, England
Father: William
Mother: Laura Annie
FHL Film Number: 1736295
Reference ID: It.3 1177

Will leave for elimination purposes.

KeithG

KeithG Report 21 Mar 2016 22:21

I don't have her birth certificate. However, her father's military records include reference to her birth date, which matches the 1939 register entry.

The Stockport death is only six days out for DoB which made me wonder.

I agree that the closed record is probably one of the children from her marriage to Clarence.

Mary

Mary Report 21 Mar 2016 22:21

Laura Annie born 9/11/1905 according to her dads army record and he died 1957 in Lincoln Harvey Capel Jay
Maryb

Rambling

Rambling Report 21 Mar 2016 22:13

were there children to the first marriage? as there are some Beecham /Jay births and no other marriage that I can see to account for them?

edit looks likely as the son also married Lincoln, so assume this is known. I would imagine one of the children was the closed record in 1939 reg?

safc

safc Report 21 Mar 2016 22:08


England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

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First name(s) ANNIE LAURA
Last name ARCHER
Birth year 1889
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District SPALDING
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Volume 7A
Page 404
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Rambling

Rambling Report 21 Mar 2016 22:06

But the Stockport death is a different birth day and month to the 1939. do you have her birth cert to confirm date Keith?

KeithG

KeithG Report 21 Mar 2016 22:05

Interestingly the probate for Clarence leaves his estate to Laura "widow", which technically I suppose she was, they were not divorced as far as I know.

The pictures on Ancestry show her with Archer.

The 1939 register entry was subsequently amended to show her name change. I'd love to know who the closed record is for!

Rambling

Rambling Report 21 Mar 2016 22:04

Probate for William 1946 To "Laura Annie Archer married woman"

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=archer&yearOfDeath=1946&page=5#calendar

Mary

Mary Report 21 Mar 2016 21:55

Tree on ancestry has her plus photo of her having same birthday and death as you
She is pictured with a man but I dont know who that is
It states William Robert Archer 1882 died 1946.
Laura Annie Archer 15/11/1905 died 1994 Stockport Cheshire
This looks more like her

Maryb.

Rambling

Rambling Report 21 Mar 2016 21:44

Nothing so far, except that on the probate record for Clarence 1959 admin was granted to Laura Annie Beecham

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

Rambling

Rambling Report 21 Mar 2016 21:07

Just for ref

Beecham Household (4 People)
11 Pyrland Road , Islington, London, England

Laura A Archer (Beecham) 09 Oct 1905 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Clarence C ? Beecham 22 Oct 1900 Boiler Erector Construction Engineer
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Frederick Pormal 20 Feb 1894 Electrician L P T B

KeithG

KeithG Report 21 Mar 2016 20:57

I'd welcome some help to "think different" please.

Laura Annie Jay was born 1905. She married Clarence Beecham and was still with him in 1939. In 1943 she changed her name to Archer at about the same time as she had a daughter Barbara Jean whose father was William Robert Archer.

I have seen her date of death asserted, but without evidence, as 7 September 1988 in Lincoln and this is credible as she lived with Archer in Lincoln and her daughter was born in Lincoln. However I cannot find a death record for her, nor can I find a will / probate / burial. I'd welcome suggestions where I might find confirmation of the date of death.

Another Laura Annie Archer died in Hull n 1960, I'm sure that is a different Laura Annie.