Genealogy Chat

You know, considering that the building at 378 Gloucester Road was owned by Stanley from 1921 - 1931, I am surprised that he never advertised his business. :-(

Good question AustinQ. Maybe Florence took over and started slowly moving the business up the road

Which might explain why the "Son" left and moved in with his sister AH HA! :-0

I wondered if this was related, or him operating under different initial?:

Phonebooks

1926
Bristol 2704 Hartnell F. & Son, Furniture, Motor Hauliers- 493 Gloucester Road

1927
Bristol 2704 F Hartnell & Son, Furniture, Motor Hauliers- 510 Gloucester Road

1928
Bristol 2704 F Hartnell, Haulier- 530 Gloucester Road

Sylvia - are you accepting that challenge?? :-)

Chris - interesting, but as far as I know not related.

Shirley - that 1939 one must be the right one as he was living at 7a Egerton rd at the time of his death, or at least his wife was. Yes Florence's middle name is Ellen

Tenerife Sun - yes, that is the one

Now you know why the Hartnell family is such a challenge to find. The information keeps changing :-|

Just possibly him but this was under Bath Licences

Bath and Chronicle Gazette dated 12/08/1922

Golden Lion, Southgate Street. On application of Mr F W Long who again briefly alluded to the succession of ill luck experienced by the licensees of The Golden Lion Southgate Street from Charles Frederick Moorhouse to Stanley Joseph Hartnell was confirmed

Rocky is the info you already have

Western Daily Press dated 12/01/1929

Horfield Resident Tells Sad Story To Bench

For making a false application for the renewal of his road fund licence Stanley Joseph Hartnell of 2 St Leonards Road Horfield was bound over for 12 months.......used the lorry unlicensed .............. Defendant said he had one old lorry not worth £7.00 he was down and out and on the day he used it he had no food in the house. Not getting the dole he had not applied to the Guardians for relief. He used the lorry on the occasion of the purpose of getting something to eat. If anyone would give him a situation of £2.00 he would give them the lorry. At present he had nine count court summons on his hands and was before the Tolzey Court a week ago. He was one of the first Special Constables in Bristol and was still on reserve.

Diffrent birth year again

STANLEY J
Last name HARTNELL
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1877
Age 63
Death quarter 3
Death year 1940
District BRISTOL
County Gloucestershire
Volume 6A
Page 346
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

Completely different birth dates

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Hartnell Household (2 People)
7A Egerton Road , Bristol C.B., Gloucestershire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Stanley (J) Hartnell 18 Feb 1862 Furniture Remover Incapacitated
Florence (H) Hartnell 21 Jul 1866 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ref: RG101/5027J/003/23 Letter Code: OASN

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THe enumerator added the J and H. But think she was
Ellen not Helen

Odd !!!!!

Newpaper article 1915 states he was a furniture remover and warehouseman his address was 378 Gloucester Road, Horfield,

According to another newpaper article in 1929 his address then was 2 St. Leonard's Road, Horfield

Possibly so she should be on the 1939 register

Deaths Jun 1954
Hartnell Florence E 81 Bristol 7b 235

Not seeing them on the 1939 register

This looks like his son on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Ball Household (4 People)
13 P?Down Road , Bristol C.B., Gloucestershire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Herbert R Hartnell 03 Oct 1906 Canteen Worker
SEX
Male
MARITAL STATUS
Single
SCHEDULE
402
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
4
Cecil J Ball 16 Apr 1900 Bus Conductor
Violet P B Ball 19 Sep 1904 Housewife
Married

He is with his marred sister violet who married Cecil in 1925

http://thegloucesterroadstory.org/?action=search&search-name=hartnell&search-businessType=&road=GR&number=&search-date-start=&search-date-end=

(have a look on above link, from google search, also other Hartnell if relating)

Chris :)

I can't find anything else ............

so I'll hand it over to the day shift to see if they can find anything.


As an aid to them ................ I think RMS has EVERYTHING on his life up to the 1911 Census.

I just posted the above to give me an idea of where he came from etc etc

I know you probably have the above, but it lets me get my head around him :-)

from an ancestry tree .......... as a guidance ONLY!


Stanley Joseph Lilly Hartnell Born 18 Mar 1880 Bishopston, Gloucestershire;
died 6 SEP 1940 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Parents

Henry Hartnell
1847–1927

Ellen Lilly
1853–1914


This tree also says he was married twice, had 2 children with his fist wife, and none with his second.

Married 1. Edith Sarah Mona Evans (1875–1910)

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
EVANS Edith Sarah M Bristol 6a 336
Hartnell Stanley Joseph Bristol 6a 336

Children:- Violet Phyllis Betty Hartnell (1904–1960); Herbert Raymond Hartnell (1906–1981)



Deaths Mar 1910 (>99%)

HARTNELL Edith Sarah M 31 Bristol 6a 127


now to try to prove as much as I can ;-)

Birth registration

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
HARTNELL Stanley Joseph L Barton R. 6a 71

Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)

Hartnell Stanley J Bristol 6a 78
King Florence E Bristol 6a 78

????
from ancestry


1911 Census

Name: Stanley Joseph Hartnell
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bristol
Civil Parish: Bristol
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County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: 48 Ashley Down Rd, Horfield, Bristol
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm In Remover
[Funiture Remover] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration district: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household schedule number: 228
Piece: 15088

Stanley Joseph Hartnell 31
Florence Ellen Hartnell 33 b.ca 1878, Bristol, Wife,


Married less than 1 year, no children

Furniture removal, Employer, Working on own account

Their house had 6 rooms, not counting kitchen and bathroom

you're setting a challenge, aren't you?! :-D

I have been looking on my own, and all I have found is an article that he got a ticket for driving his truck without a licence.

Soooo I have decided to ask the nice people on here : soooooooo

I am looking for anything on Stanley Joseph Hartnell’s hauling company. I even have the address from the 1920 Phone book : Hartnell S.J., Haulier, Removal Contr 378 Gloucester rd. Bristol …. 2342

A picture would be nice. March 18, 1880 – Sept. 6, 1940