Genealogy Chat

What a shame you didn't continue on the previous thread Joanna , where much of this information had already been found.

On the 1939 register, Eileen would have been registered as Tennant because that was her name at the time. When she married, (posted above by safc), her name would have been changed on the register - it became the basis for the National Health Service register and was updated until 1991. As she was born after 1915, her record would remain closed (masked out) i.e. not able to be seen under the 100 year rule, unless she had died pre 1991 or a death certificate has been provided since the Register was recently opened to public view, to allow the record to be opened.

There is an Eileen Frost death Ilkeston RD showing in 1982 showing a dob of 16.5.1921 which matches that shown in the Register.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1358524

(did above relate?)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1941 (>99%)
FROST Bertram V Tennant Ilkeston 7b 1289
Tennant Eileen Frost Ilkeston 7b 1289

In the 1939 entry - why would Eileen Frost (Tennant) be listed as single ? The name frost would make me think she was married ! Divorced maybe ?

Thats the family yes !
William Bullus was born to Sarah Bullus (no father on cert) William was a few months old when Sarah Married Samuel Tennant.

Yes Samuel Married Sophia fox - his father is listed on the certificate as William Tennant Bullus (Deceased)

I cant find anything for William Bullus anywhere after Samuels birth :-/

I dont think I will ever know if Samuel Tennant Was William Bullas father.

I dident have the 1939 entry so thankyou so much for that !

I would love to find out what happend to Samuels parents & how he came to live with his grandparents !
It was my grandad (Samuel Tennants son) who told me it was something to do with a murder a few years ago.

I have recently been in toch with another decendant of samuels who had also been told the same story - but I am now stuck !

Thankyou for you help x

Do you have the 1939 Register entry??

Tennant Household (4 People)
18 Benner Avenue , Ilkeston M.B., Derbyshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Sophia Tennant 03 Sep 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 96 2
Samuel Tennant 15 Dec 1884 Male Blast Furnace Labourer Heavy Worker Married 96 1
Eileen Frost (Tennant) 16 May 1921 Female Linker Hosiery Manufactur Single 96 3
Sarah A Newton 07 Mar 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties

And this is them in 1911 - Brierley Hill is about a mile from Brockmoor, his birthplace on previous census.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Westwick St Ilkeston, Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Tennant Head Married Male Labourer At Iron Foundary 25 1886 Staffordshire Brierley Hill
Sophia Tennant Wife Married Female - 25 1886 Darbyshire Brimington
Lily Tennant Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Darbyshire Ilkeston
Samuel Tennant Son - Male - 4 1907 Darbyshire Ilkeston
Sarah Tennant Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Darbyshire Ilkeston

Your OP says Samuel married a Tennant, do you mean AS Tennant -
is this Samuel's marriage as Tennant - he names his Father as William Tennant

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Tennant
Name note -
Age 20
Marriage year 1905
Marriage date 28 Jan 1905
Marriage place Ilkeston
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Tennant
Spouse's first name(s) Sophia
Spouse's last name Fox
Spouse's birth year 1885
Spouse's birth date 1885
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Fox
Residence Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
County Derbyshire
Country England

Perhaps there was some stigma attached to the Bullus name but not finding any newspaper reports from the period

So was William actually born a Bullus before his mother's marriage
There is not a William Tennant birth showing in the indexes

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name BULLUS
Birth year 1854
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District STOURBRIDGE
County Worcestershire
Country England
Volume 6C
Page 222
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

William born a Bullus

Mother Sarah Bullus then marries Samuel Tennant but as William marries as a Bullus I wonder if Samuel was perhaps not his Father but accepted him as a son
(or was the Father but William married under his given birth surname).

Young Samuel born as a Bullus because that was his Father's surname.

You can call yourself what you want as long as it's not for fraudulent purposes.

William appears as the eldest child on the census and this would appear to be the parents marriage

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name TENNANT
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1855
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL TENNANT married
SARAH BULLAS
District STOURBRIDGE
District number -
County Worcestershire
Country England
Volume 6C
Page 283

If this is the correct family and correct William, then he appears as Tennant here and also on the 1871 and 1861 census

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cricket Field, Kingswinford (Stafford), Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Saml Tennant Head Married Male 50 1831 Coal Miner Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Tennant Wife Married Female 47 1834 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
William Tennant Son Single Male 27 1854 No Occupation Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ann Tennant Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Potters Assistant Brockmoor, Staffordshire,
Myra Tennant Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Potters Assistant Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Tennant Son Single Male 16 1865 Bottleworks Assistant Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Mary Tennant Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
James Tennant Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Rhoda Matilda Tennant Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Tennant Son Single Male 1 1880 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England

Same family 1891 - when he is described as nephew

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sun Street, Kingswinford, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Tennant Head Married Male 59 1832 Coal Miner Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Tennant Wife Married Female 56 1835 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
James Tennant Son Single Male 19 1872 Labourer Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Matilda Tennant Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Tennant Son Single Male 11 1880 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Tennant Nephew Single Male 6 1885 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England

His parents marriage - gives their declared ages.

Was he was named for his grandfather Samuel -
Samuel Tennant BULLUS who is Samuel Tennant on the above census????

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription

First name(s) William
Last name Bullas
Name note -
Age 29
Marriage year 1884
Marriage date 21 Sep 1884
Marriage place Kingswinford
Father's first name(s) Samuel Tennant
Father's last name Bullas
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Herbert
Spouse's birth year 1856
Spouse's birth date 1856
Residence Kingswinford, Stafford, England
County Staffordshire
Country England

EDIT - in light of posting later which appears to show William born a Bullus was this a mix up with Father's surname?

Just for an idea of names, places and when - for our information. Is this him?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Sun Street, Brockmoor, Kingswinford (Stafford), Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Tennant Head Married Male 69 1832 Laborer Ironworks Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Tennant Wife Married Female 68 1833 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Matilda Tennant Daughter Single Female 24 1877 - Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Tennant Son Single Male 21 1880 Platelayer Rway Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Bullus Grand Son Single Male 16 1885 Laborer Ironwks Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England

This is only a family rumer ....

My Great grandad was born Samuel Bullas / Bullus. By the age of 6 it looks like he was living with his grandparents Samuel & Sarah Tennant & went by the name of Tennant or Bullas ! He did marry a Tennant & all his kids were named Tennant.

The story gos he lived with his grandparents due to a family fall out to do with a murder !

I can not find any trace of his parents after his birth - his parents are William Bullus & Elizabeth herbert.

Also how could he be born a Bullus but then go on to be called Tennant ? Did you need to change your name by deed poll then ? Or could you just call yourself whatever you liked !