Genealogy Chat

Thanks again, malyon. I accept that it is possible that the two Sarah baptisms could belong to different parents, however I feel it would be stretching coincidence a bit far: same child name, same parent names, same place, same occupation for father, but of course it is possible.

And thank you for the further clarification, Chris, I'd picked up the Adkin - Russell marriage from the C1901 above.

Keith

(in order to find which timescale of year, for that 1858, using below, free!)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Lloyd John Portsea 2b 735
Pearce Mary Portsea 2b 735
Thomas Martha Portsea I. 2b 735
Watson Sarah Portsea 2b 735
Welch William Portsea I. 2b 735

(then ties in with below)


09 October 1858 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire,

Marriage
On the 8th inst., at Highbury Chapel, by the Rev. W. Young, Mr. William Welch, to Miss Sarah Watson, daughter of the late Mr. W.Watson, of Portsmouth.

Chris :)

(and that 1901)

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
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ADKIN Sarah Ann Shoreditch 1c 364
RUSSELL James Shoreditch 1c 364

(and that checked on Ancestry 'All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921', her Father, Frederick Adkin, occ. Wine Cellarman)

could have been born to another john and sarah Watson could be the one who's marriage I posted 1858

Thanks again, malyon, I hadn't seen the 1901 record.

As I read it, this is all building evidence for Sarah 1825, so who was Sarah 1827?

Keith

England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Sarah Adkin
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish St Martin
Sub-District Kentish Town
Registration District St Pancras
Residence Note Carlton Road
Gender Female
Age 76
Relationship to Head of Household Mother-In-Law
Birth Year (Estimated) 1825
Birthplace Portsmouth, Hampshire
Schedule Type 475
Page Number 65



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

James Russell Head M 46 Clerkenwell, London
Sarah A Russell Wife F 46 Shoreditch, London
John Russell Son M 18 Hackney, London
Edward Russell Son M 15 Kentish Town, London
Frederick Russell Son M 11 Kentish Town, London
Florence Russell Daughter F 9 Kentish Town, London
Lillian Russell Daughter F 6 Kentish Town, London
Charles Russell Son M 3 Kentish Town, London
Sarah Adkin Mother-In-Law F 76 Portsmouth, Hampshire

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Sarah Adkins

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name Sarah Adkins
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Hackney, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District Hackney
Residence Note Sheep Lane
Gender Female
Age 56
Marital Status (Original) Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1825
Birthplace Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Page Number 33
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 311/110
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Frederick Adkins Head M 54 Smithfields, Middlesex, England
Sarah Adkins Wife F 56 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Fredk Adkins Son M 23 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
John Adkins Son M 21 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Martha Adkins Daughter F 17 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Event Date 1861
Event Place Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary Haggerston
Registration District Shoreditch
Residence Note Herbert Street
Gender Female
Age 36
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1825
Birthplace Southam, Hampshire
Page Number 13
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 249 / 38
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Frederick Adkin Head M 36 City Of London,
Sarah Adkin Wife F 36 Southam, Hampshire
Matilda Harriett Adkin Daughter F 8 Shoreditch,
Sarah Ann Adkin Daughter F 6 Shoreditch,
Frederick Adkin Son M 3 Shoreditch,
John Joseph Adkin M 1 Shoreditch,

Yes, but there's also this:

Name: Frederick Adkin
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 21 Oct 1850
Marriage Place: Saint Katherine Creechurch,London,London,England
Spouse: Sarah Watson
FHL Film Number: 374464

where the bride's father is said to be an inspector of police, which John Watson of Portsea was in census records ....

I agree it's tempting to accept the Portsea marriage on the basis of location, location, and location. But how to be sure?

Sarah Watson
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005


marriage:

1858

Portsea Island, Hampshire, England


other:

John Lloyd, Martha Thomas, William Welch

Thanks Malyon. Yes those are indeed the parents, the record even mentions HMRM Artillery which again ties into the baptism records.

Keith

John Watson

mentioned in the record of John Watson and Sarah Meacher

Name John Watson
Spouse's Name Sarah Meacher
Event Date 21 Jul 1822
Event Place St. Mary'S Church, Portsea, Hampshire, England
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single

I have found two baptism records for "Sarah Watson" in Portsea, Hampshire:

Name: Sarah Watson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 15 Feb 1825
Baptism Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Father: John Watson
Mother: Sarah Watson
FHL Film Number: 1596294
Reference ID: Page 17 #133

Name: Sarah Watson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1827
Baptism Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Father: John Watson
Mother: Sarah Watson
FHL Film Number: 1596294
Reference ID: Page 63 #501

In both cases the John Watson is in the Royal Marine Artillery so I'm pretty sure it's the same family.

In other such cases the name has been recycled because the first born died very young. I have not been able to find an appropriate death record.

I've been in touch with a very helpful persona at the Hampshire Genealogical Society and their best guess was that the wrong name was entered in the parish record.

One Sarah went on to marry Frederick Adkin and there is a death record for Sarah Adkin giving her birth as about 1825. This and several census records suggest that if there is indeed an error then it is probably with Sarah 1927.

I'm now wondering how to find out what the correct name for Sarah 1927 was. Or indeed if there is another, more plausible, explanation. Any ideas will be gratefully received!!

Keith