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I have found out my ancestors ran a pub in Swaffham Prior in the 1920's - anybody know how I would be able to find out which pub...is there a publican trade directory or such like? Any ideas where to look?

Tracey

Perhaps you'll find the name if you click on one of these pub names?

http://pubshistory.com/Cambridgeshire/SwaffhamPrior/index.shtml

Thanks - its not there but was worth a try.

If you post the details of your ancestor, someone may be able to help you

James Barnby Marshall born 1863. I believe he was publican of a pub in Swaffham Prior in 1926.

For helpers' reference:

this looks like him in 1901, manager of the Queen's Hotel Tap (?) pub:

James B Marshall
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James B Marshall
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Marshall
Birth Place: Usworth, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Alderley Edge
Ecclesiastical parish: Alderley Edge St Phillip
Town: Alderley Edge
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Alderley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3318
Folio: 35
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
James B Marshall 41
Mary Marshall 41
Florence M Marshall 14
Cyril Marshall 6

Or maybe not!

This James's middle name seems to be Bleet.

Where was your James born, plelase?

James Bleet Marshall
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Bleet Marshall
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Elsworth, Cambridge, England
Civil Parish: Alderley and Edge
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: Queens Hold Tap Alderley Eage Manchester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Manager Co Hotel Tap
Registration district: Macclesfield
Registration District Number: 444
Sub-registration district: Alderley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 21508
Household Members:
Name Age
James Bleet Marshall 51
Mary Marshall 51
Florence Mary Marshall 24
Cyril Marshall 16

Back to the drawing board.

Is this your James in 1871 ?

James Barnby Marshall
in the 1871 England Census
Name: James Barnby Marshall
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Marshall
Mother's name: Mary Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Beverley St Mary
Town: Beverley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Beverley
Sub-registration district: Beverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 4768
Folio: 141
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Marshall 41
Mary Marshall 40
John William Marshall 10
James Barnby Marshall 8
Anne Eliza Marshall 3
Thomas Alfred Marshall 11 Months
Elizabeth Welborne 14

If so, he's a groom in 1881:

James B. Marshall
in the 1881 England Census
Name: James B. Marshall
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: James Marshall
Mother: Mary Marshall
Gender: Male
Where born: Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Beverley St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 16 St Marys Ter
Occupation: Groom N D
Registration district: Beverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4740
Folio: 127
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Marshall 51
Mary Marshall 50
John N. Marshall 20
James B. Marshall 18
Thomas A. Marshall 10
Ernest Marshall 8
John R. Shearsmith 27

Perhaps that's not your James, either??
this says he was a stud manager - though not when - he might have run a pub later in life:



James Barnby Marshall
Birthdate: January 20, 1863
Birthplace: Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Death: Died 1946 in Cambridgeshire, England
Immediate Family:
Son of James Marshall and Mary Marshall
Husband of Ann Marshall
Father of Mabel Helen Chuck and Florence Gertrude Marshall
Brother of John William Marshall; Ann Eliza Marshall; Thomas Alfred Marshall and Ernest Marshall
Occupation: Stud Manager
Managed by: Private User
Last Updated: September 16, 2015

https://www.geni.com/people/James-Marshall/6000000006440404179

He's a stud groom in 1901 and 1911. I'd been hoping 1911 might have shown him as a pub manager somewhere, but no luck.
But he did die in Cambridgeshire, if the info above is correct:

James Marshall
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Marshall
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Beverly, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Little Chishall Heydon
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Langly Rd, Little Chishall, Royston, Herts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Stud Groom
Registration district: Royston
Registration District Number: 135
Sub-registration district: Royston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 7541
Household Members:
Name Age
James Marshall 48
Annie Marshall 47
Mabel Marshall 22
Florence Marshall 16


If he did die in Cambridgeshire, perhaps his death cert would give an address? But of course he could have given up the pub by that time.

James B Marshall
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: James B Marshall
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Mar 1947
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 386

More Swaffham Prior pub names - and mention of smaller unnamed ones:

Out of 7-8 public houses recorded from the 1760s, the village's three principal ones, all standing on the high street, were the Red Lion, the Rose and Crown, which could stable 12 horses in 1827, and the Cock, facing each other across a small green below Cage Hill; (fn. 104) all three were still open in the 1930s. (fn. 105) The Rose and Crown was closed by 1960, as were other smaller beerhouses, some long-established. The Cock closed in 1970, and the Allix Arms, opened with a coalyard near the station after 1884, in 1975. (fn. 106) Only the Red Lion, occupying a timberframed 18th-century house, single-storeyed with attics, (fn. 107) was still open in 1992. The Anchor near the Cam, probably open by the 1760s, where the parishioners drank while beating their bounds in 1862, (fn. 108) closed soon after 1910. The larger public houses each had clubrooms. From the 1850s the Cock's usually accommodated the annual dinners of a branch of Ancient Shepherds, started c. 1848, numbering 40-50 by 1850 and 70-80 by 1860. (fn. 109) It succeeded a benefit society which had 21 members in 1803 and over 30 in the 1810s. (fn. 110)

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/cambs/vol10/pp273-278

Not much help really!

1939 Register
Marshall Household (2 People)
7 Mill Hill,Swaffham Prior , Newmarket R.D., Cambridgeshire, England

James Marshall 20 Jan 1863 Male Old Age Pensioner Married 110 1
Annie Marshall 01 Jan 1863 Female Old Age Pensioner Married 110 2

Thank you all so much for your help. This is definitely the right person. Perhaps I will never find out which pub he managed but never mind.

Thank you

Tracey

You could contact the nearest library which has a local studies section. They may have either trade directories for the intervening years, or they may find him on the Electoral Rolls.

We were very lucky in so far that one of the archivist had an interest in Pubs. He'd written 2 books about the 'lost pubs' in the area and mentioned our ancestor.

Cambridgeshire Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) James Barnby
Last name Marshall
Birth year 1863
Death year 1947
Age 84
Burial year 1947
Burial date 08 Feb 1947
Residence of 7 Mill Rise Swaffham Prior
Parish Swaffham Prior, St Mary

Chris :)

http://tinyurl.com/jbsg236

(also useful is above, Cambridgeshire Collection, held in Cambridge Central Library, Lion Yard)

(and for Kelly's Directories, Cambridgeshire Archives, Castle Hill)