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The fact that Hannah is transcribed as Holt/Payne just means that at some point AFTER the 1939 register was compiled she married or lived with a Mr. Holt and took his name. The register was updated on a regular basis until about 1990.

There are quite a few letters and numbers in the margin next to Hannah's name on the original image which I can't make out properly but these probably have something to do with the name change.

EDIT - Actually, looking at the image again, when the register was first compiled and Hannah is called Hannah Payne it says she was married, so she must have either married for a second time or called herself Holt for some other reason.

Kath. x

What is the 1939 Register?
Answer:


At the outbreak of World War II, the government urgently needed to know everything it could about the civil population of England and Wales. This information would be key in the issuing of identity cards and ration books as well as organising conscription and, after the war, creating the N.H.S.

To gather this information, they took a National Register. On September 29th, 1939, the personal details - including names, dates of birth, occupations, marital statuses - of 41 million individuals were recorded.

This release is the result of over a year's work carried out by a team of hundreds who - in association with The National Archives - have conserved, scanned, transcribed and digitised over 1.2 million pages from 7,000 volumes, comprising the most significant record release of the decade, and one of the most important documents in modern British history. To put the scale of the work into context, were you to stack the books on top of each other, they would be 227m high, over double the height of St Paul's Cathedral.

How was the 1939 Register compiled?
Answer:



65,000 enumerators issued households with registration forms to be completed on September 29th 1939.

The following week, enumerators visited each household to check and collect the forms and to issue the identity cards to anyone who had been present in that house or institution on the 29th September 1939.


there are 127 results for payne in derby c b

there are 435 results for payne in derbyshire

do you have any names?

Kath,
Thank you for your replies.

The surname I was looking for was Payne, so your reference you gave for Hannah & Eileen are my Aunts. Hanna's maiden name was not Holt so I don't understand the meaning HOLT/ before PAYNE.

Do you have any ideas?

Can you please let me know what register is this record from and what month in 1939?

I am trying to locate any more Paynes, shane 2 recordsare sealed.
Thanks again

The death of Eileen Gidman (who is on the 1939 register):-

First name(s) EILEEN
Last name GIDMAN
Gender Female
Birth day 9
Birth month 10
Birth year 1920
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2002
District STAFFORD
District number 7352
Register number S60D
Entry number 287
Date of registration mm/yy 0302
County Staffordshire
Country England

Kath. x

The 1891 census (the house number is not transcribed but on the image it is 159):-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Drewry Lane, St Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Henry Vernon Head Married Male 38 1853 Builder And Contractor Longford, Derbyshire, England
Harriet Elizabeth Vernon Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Tutbury, Staffordshire, England
Frances Morbryn Vernon Daughter Single Female 5 1886 - Willington, Derbyshire, England
Jessie Vernon Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Derby
Elsie Vernon Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Derby
Katie Vernon Daughter Single Female 1 1890 - Derby
Henry Sutton Nephew Single Male 20 1871 Apprentice Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Annie Jane Pagg Servant Single Female 15 1876 General Servant Domestic Burton on Trent

Kath. x

Google maps show it's there today but spelt DREWRY

1841 - no numbers
1851 - haven't found
1861/1871 - only appears to go to no. 25
1881 - goes to 45

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Drewry Lane, St Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire, England - Number 159

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Vernon Head Married Male 38 1853 Builder And Contractor Longford, Derbyshire, England
Harriet Elizabeth Vernon Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Tutbury, Staffordshire, England
Frances Morbryn Vernon Daughter Single Female 5 1886 - Willington, Derbyshire, England
Jessie Vernon Daughter Single Female 4 1887 - Derby
Elsie Vernon Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Derby Transcription
Katie Vernon Daughter Single Female 1 1890 - Derby
Henry Sutton Nephew Single Male 20 1871 Apprentice Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Annie Jane Pagg Servant Single Female 15 1876 General Servant Domestic Burton on Trent
Census details

Street Drewry Lane
Town Derby
Parish St Werburgh
City Derby
County Derbyshire
Registration district Derby
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2729
Folio 96
Page 11

Any year in particular?...

(Death of Percy Horton, 1918. Albert Edward Adkins 1918, Husband of Ethel (nee Horton)

(Death of Evelyn Vernon, 1895)

Chris :)

The house in the 1901 census:-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
159, Drewry Lane, Derby, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

George S Horton Head Married Male 52 1849 Stationery Packer Leicestershire, England
Francis E Horton Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Derbyshire, England
George H Horton Son Single Male 24 1877 Book Binder Derbyshire, England
William E Horton Son Single Male 21 1880 Compositor Derbyshire, England
Ellen Horton Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Stationery Sewer Derbyshire, England
Maud M Horton Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Derbyshire, England
Percy R Horton Son - Male 11 1890 - Derbyshire, England
Charles F Horton Son - Male 7 1894 - Derbyshire, England

Kath. x

This is the household in the 1939 register:-

Payne (Holt,Payne) Household (3 People)
159 Drewry Lane , Derby C.B., Derbyshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Hannah Payne (Holt,Payne) 05 Oct 1915 Female Household Married 11 1
Eileen Gidman (Payne) 09 Oct 1920 Female Shop Assistant Single 11 4
Charles N Carter 01 Jul 1904 Male Lorry Driver Single 11 5

There are also two closed records (people who may have still been alive after the register was updated in about 1990).

Kath. x

The address is not showing up on the census or the 1939 register.

How old do you think the house is?

EDIT - You were using the wrong spelling of the Lane. It is Drewry Lane. Will have another look.

Kath. x

Apologies for the typo. Should read Trace NOT Trance at beginning of the post.

I am trying to trance the history of a specific address in Derby, Derbyshire, and I wonder in anyone is able to check any records you have access to.

The address is 159, Drewery Lane, Derby, Derbyshire

Thank you in advance.