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Gosh - what a wonderful response..............
Many many thanks for your information
How on earth did I miss that newspaper report ???
David

(looking on google search, below comes up,

http://www.searlecanada.org/sunderland/sunderland122.html

(SHIPS BUILT AT SUNDERLAND IN THE 1840s)

Brother & Sister (a schooner, later a sloop)

The vessel is Lloyd's Register ('LR') recorded from 1848/49 thru 1852/53 & not thereafter. For that brief period, LR records the vessel as owned & captained by Forsyth of Inverness. For service as a Sunderland coaster. crewlist.org.uk (insert 2677), however, seems to indicate that the vessel was always of 32 tons & always was registered at Sunderland. Turnbull's Register of 1856 lists A. Thompson, of Sunderland, as the then owner of the 32 ton Sunderland registered sloop. Which owner name is clarified by Christie's Shipping Register of 1858 to mean Alexander Thompson. On Apl. 19, 1862, per line 2727 here, the 32 ton sloop was abandoned at sea, N. of St. Abb's Head (Berwickshire, Scotland). While en route from Blyth to Port Douglas (Isle of Man?) with a cargo of iron. Crew of 3 - none lost. Vessel then stated to be owned by Alexander Thompson.


(and the incident relating to 1862)

28 April 1862 - Edinburgh Evening Courant - Edinburgh, Midlothian,

From Lloyd's List
Sunderland, April 23. - The Brother and Sister (sloop), of this port, Watson, from Blyth to Port- Dundas, with iron, lost her mast in a gale on the 19th April between Dunbar and St. Abb's Head, and was abandoned the same evening in a sinking state. Crew saved.

The ship was docked in Middlesbrough at the time of the census.

The staff at Teesside Arcives in Middlesbrough are very helpful and they may be able to tell you if they have any details of ships in dock at that time. It would be worth giving them a call to see if they can offer any advice.

Their contact details are:-

Address: Exchange House, 6 Marton Rd, Middlesbrough TS1 1DB

Phone: 01642 248321

Kath. x

On the previous image it says that the vessel is a Sloop employed in the Lime and (Coles??) trade.

Definition of a Sloop:-

A sloop (from Dutch sloep, in turn from French chaloupe) is a sailing boat with a single mast and a fore-and-aft rig. A sloop has only one head-sail: if a vessel has two or more head-sails, the term 'cutter' is used, and its mast may be set further aft than on a sloop.

Kath. x

Is this the person you mean:-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
British Ships in Home Ports, Ships and Overseas Establishments

First name(s) David
Last name Watson
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 49
Birth year 1812
Occupation Master
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed SUNDERLAND DUR
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed -
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street -
Parish -
City or borough -
County British Ships in Home Ports
Country Ships and Overseas Establishments
Vessel name Brothers & A Sister<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Registration district British Ships in Home Ports
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4513
Folio number 53
Page number 1
Family member last name WATSON
Family member first name(s) DAVID
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census

Kath. x

In the 1861 census David Watson [aged 49 born Sunderland] was Master in a ship apparently named 'Brothers A Sister' or perhaps 'A Brothers Sister'. I know all about David Watson, I just wish to learn more about the ship. I am unable to find it in Lloyds Shipping List. David Watson was not at sea in any other census record.
Please can anyone help?
David