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I'm still trying to define the Smith/Wickham link - can't seem to find a marriage between Charlotte and somebody surname Wickham.

OK so the 1871 census was done on 2 April, John George was born on 11 Dec. Charlotte is in London on the census, the birth of JG being registered in 1872 with John Scott as father. Clutching at straws now...
Charlotte goes to London not knowing she is pregnant, has baby which is then given to either Scott or Smith family. Charlotte (disgraced?) goes off and meets/marries Wickham. Death/divorce of Wickham and she returns to family and marries John in 1878. So I'm looking for a marriage between 1871-8.

Looking at the info greyghost supplied I also have a Caroline Mayo, shown as John's sister - but again a marriage to a Mayo is proving elusive.

That said if the John Smith/Charlotte Wickham marriage is proved I think I have been able to push back my tree by another two generations.

This is my wife's side of the tree but amazingly they seem to originate froma village next to the one my family moved to from London back in 1963 - and only 15 miles away from where I'm sitting :-)

Ian just chuck the questions our way and I am sure we could all help.

Thanks for all your help everybody. It will take me some time to analyse all this and where that leaves the tree - quite a few unanswered questions I think :-)

Augusta Antonia Smith married Spencer Minney.

Name: Augusta A Minney
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Spencer Minney
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: St Sepulchre
Ecclesiastical parish: St Sepulchre
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Northampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
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Piece: 1195
Folio: 64
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Spencer Minney 30
Augusta A Minney 33
Mark W Smith 14 ***** HER TWO CHILDREN BEFORE SHE MARRIED.
Rebecca Z Smith 16*****

I thought those Smith's would connect but was too tired to carry on. I have a stinking cold at the moment and its affecting my thoughts. <3

SO although the age is wrong on the 1891 posted by Mel (@ 9 Nov 2016 22:43), it is the correct John Scott, and he is the cousin of Thomas:

Thomas was the son of Charlotte's brother, Thomas.

Here he is in 1881:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, St Edmunds End, Northampton St Giles, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

Thomas Smith Head Married Male 20 1861 Shoe Maker Leicester, Leicestershire,
Sarah A Smith Wife Married Female 20 1861 Household Duties Knighton, Leicestershire,
Ellen E Smith Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Knighton, Leicestershire, England
Thomas Smith Head Married Male 35 1846 Carpenter & Joiner Northampton, Northamptonshire
Anna Smith Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Isham, Northamptonshire, England
Walter W W Smith Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Northampton, Northamptonshire
Thomas H Smith Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Northampton, Northamptonshire
Frank L Smith Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Earnest A Smith Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Northampton, Northamptonshire
Mary G Smith Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Northampton, Northamptonshire,
Annie L Smith Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Northampton, Northamptonshire,

Same family in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, St Giles Street, St Giles, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

George Smith Head Married Male 45 1816 Gardener Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire,
Charlotte Smith Wife Married Female 42 1819 - St Giles, Northamptonshire,
George Smith Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Labourer St Giles, Northamptonshire,
Thomas Smith Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Carpenter Apprentice St Giles, Northamptonshir
Joseph Smith Son Unmarried Male 12 1849 Scholar Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar St Giles, Northamptonshire,
Jane Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar St Giles, Northamptonshire,
Augusta Antonia Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 Scholar St Giles, Northamptonshir

(Note Charlotte Smith born 1852)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Porters Lodge Entrance Ot Wootton Hall, Wootton, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England

George Smith Head - Male 56 1815 - Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Smith Wife - Female 52 1819 - Northamptonshire, England
Joseph Smith Son - Male 22 1849 - Northamptonshire, England
Augusta Antonia Smith Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Northamptonshire, England
Harry Smith Son - Male 9 1862 - Northamptonshire, England

Baptism:

Name: John George Scott
Age: 8
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1871
Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1880
Baptism Place: Northampton, St Sepulchre, Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Northampton, St Sepulchre
Father: John Scott (Fitter)
Mother: Charlotte Scott

The next baptism down has the same address

Mark William Smith (born 1877)

Parents: Augusta Antonia
Abode: 25 Mount Street

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bennett Street, St Pancras, Pancras, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Louisa Shepherd Head - Female - - - Middlesex, England
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Joseph Shepherd Brother - Male 43 1828 - Middlesex, England
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Rebecca Shepherd Sister - Female 30 1841 - Middlesex, England
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Louisa Shepherd Daughter - Female 22 1849 - Middlesex, England
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Jane Nott Sister - Female 46 1825 - Middlesex, England
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Kate M Nott Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
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Ephraim Gower Lodger - Male 30 1841 - Surrey, England
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Charlotte Smith Lodger - Female 19 1852 - Northamptonshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I think this may be him in 1891. He is down as cousin aged 13 which I know is wrong but he is working as a Shoemaker.

Name John G Scott
Age 13
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relation Cousin
Gender Male
Where born Westminster, London, England
Civil parish St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish St Michael
Town Northampton
County/Island Northamptonshire
Country England
Registration district Northampton
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 1195
Folio 46
Page number 26
Household Members
Name Age
Thomas H Smith 20
Ada L Smith 19
Dorothy K Smith 1
John G Scott 13************************
Ellen Pugh 17

SCOTT, LAURA ANN WICKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in POTTERSPURY Volume 03B Page 27

?? The John and Charlotte from the 1878 marriage posted earlier

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pury End, Paulerspury, Potterspury, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Scott Head Married Male 30 1851 Farm Labourer Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Scott Wife Married Female 32 1849 Lace Maker Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
Laura A Scott Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
William J Scott Son Single Male 0 1881 - Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
Caroline Mayo Sister Married Female 34 1847 Lace Maker Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
John Mayo Nephew Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England
Herbert J Mayo Nephew Single Male 5 1876 - Paulerspury, Northamptonshire, England

(There is an Edward, his being the missing name from the marriage posted earlier, and Mary A Watson with a 1 year old in Paulersbury)

Lawrence Street, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England.

1891 census.

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Ogden Head Married Male 63 1828 Currier Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Transcription
Mercy Ogden Wife Married Female 56 1835 - Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England Transcription
Frederick Ogden Son Single Male 25 1866 Shoe Hand Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Transcription
W Ball Boarder Married Male 43 1848 Clicker Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Transcription
Sydney Rea Boarder Single Male 23 1868 Currier Worcester, Worcestershire, England Transcription
William Matthews Boarder Single Male 18 1873 Shoe Hand Liverpool Transcription
Rupert Seddon Boarder Single Male 15 1876 Shoe Fitter Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Transcription
George Scott Boarder Single Male 20 1871 Box Cutter Middlesex, England

JOHN
Last name SCOTT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1878
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN SCOTT married one of these people
***MARY ANNA BENNETT, CHARLOTTE WICKHAM****
District POTTERSPURY
District number -
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 61
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain.

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had Charlotte been married before?

shirley - yes, that's him in 1911 but I can't find him between birth in 1872 and the 1901 census

alviegal - yes, that's the person but as above I can't find him earlier...

safc - John Scott is a Boot Closer on the birth cert of Jan 1872.

It's a puzzle as I can't find a marriage and the family 'disappear' until John George on the 1901 census.

does it say johns occupation on the birth cert ?

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
69, St Edmunds Road, Northampton St Giles, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John G Scott Head Married Male 29 1872 Shoe Laster Westminster, Middlesex, England
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Sarah A Scott Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Cotton End, Northamptonshire, England
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Samuel G Scott Son - Male 6 1895 - Northamptonshire, England
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Sarah A Scott Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Northamptonshire, England

Could this be him on the 1911 census

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
51 St Edmunds Road Northampton:, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John George Scott Head Married Male Boot Maker Sewround 39 1872 London Westminster Transcription
Sarah Annie Scott Wife Married Female Dress Maker 35 1876 Northans Hardingstone Transcription
Samuel Gilbert Scott Son Single Male No Occupation 16 1895 Northampton Transcription
Sarah Annie Scott Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Northampton Transcription
Thomas Cleaver Uncle Single Male Tea Dealer. 61. 1850. Northants. Harringstone

Try FreeBMD for the marriage. It's probably easier to search on that site