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Has anyone found and used a service for transcribing hand writing on Certificates

I haven't but plenty of people on Genes used to help each other with transcripts of writing on old certificates (although there are not so many people using the message boards these days).

If you have any certificates that you can't read you could upload them into your "Keepsafe" and make the image public so anyone can see it. Add a link here so that we can see the images and someone will try to help I'm sure.

Kath. x

I have pm'd Eric as I am willing to have a go at disyphering it.

I have a few certificates could you tell me what pm'd is

PM means private message.

Click on Mel's name at the top of her post, and fill in the form which appears.
She will receive your message by email via GR, and it will not show up on this thread.
You can attach a file/document to your PM, as you would to an email.

She says she has PM'd you, so there should be an email for you via GR - perhaps in your Junk Mail ??

I'm also willing to have a go at deciphering it.

Or you can do as Kath has suggested, and upload the image of the certificate(s) to "Keepsake" here on GR, then paste the link to it/them here on your thread. Then all the potential helpers can see it/them and have a look - not just one or two seeing it privately.

ArgyllGran I hav'nt heard from Eric have you?

No, nothing, Mel.

Perhaps he's busy scanning his certificates .

Still nothing.............................perhaps he dos'nt know how to scan??

I sent you a Email haven't you got it

That must be you, Mel - I've received nothing.

Received Eric and am about to have a look now. Shall get back top you later as I have something to do this morning.

Mel

i HAVE JUST PUT ALL THE INFO i FOUND ON cHARLOTTE lANE ON HERE AND HAVE JUST LOST THE BLIMMIN LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I am shouting.

I'm posting this before I lose the lot again but have more to add later.

Name: Charlotte Fawdry
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Fawdry
Gender: Female
Where born: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Edgbaston
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:Bear Lane

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Edgbaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Piece: 2049
Folio: 356
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fawdry 48
William Fawdry 43
Charlotte Fawdry 3
Mary Collins 20

William's marriage.


First marriage? I think Jane was his wife

Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
FAWDRY William Gloster 11 324*************
James Jane Gloucester 11 324**************
Savory Thomas Waldron Glo'ster 11 324
Yemm Elizabeth Gloucester 11 324

Jane's death - possibly at Charlotte's birth?

Deaths Dec 1849 (>99%)
FAWDRY Jane Chipp Norton 16 39


1861
Name: Charlotte Fawdry
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Fawdry
Mother's name: Mary Fawdry
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Piece: 2131
Folio: 106
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fawdry 58 MILLER 1803 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Fawdry 29
William Fawdry 21
Charlotte Fawdry 15
Henry Fawdry 10
Laran Fawdry 3 READS SARAH

Matthew William's birth
Name: Matthew William Lane
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Cheltenham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a 399

Matthew William's Baptism

Name: Matthew William Lane
Baptism Date: 28 May 1867
Parish: Prestbury, Gloucestershire, England
Father: William Lane
Mother: Charlotte Lane
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts

William's profession is Gentleman.


Marriage

Name: William Lane
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1866
Age: Full
Spouse: Charlotte Fawdry
Father: Matthew Lane
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Gloucester, St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Parish as it Appears: St Mary
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Charlotte Fawdry
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1866
Age: Full Age
Spouse: William Lane BUILDER
Father: William Fawdry GROCER
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Gloucester, St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts

Baptism
Name: Matthew William Lane
Baptism Date: 28 May 1867
Parish: Prestbury, Gloucestershire, England
Father: William Lane
Mother: Charlotte Lane
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts



1871

me: Charlotte Lane
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England??????????????
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2675
Folio: 63
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Lane 23Widow Annutant
Matthew Lane 4

1871 for Mary Collins and her two children by William Fawdry.


Mary Collins

in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Mary Collins
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 3132
Folio: 68
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Collins 39
Mary Collins 18 This should read Henry son Electric Fitter*****
Sarah Collins 13



1881

Name: Lottie Parkes
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Henry J. Parkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Birm, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 223 Lodge Rd
Marital Status: Married
Address 223 Lodge Rd.*****
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 24a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3007
Folio: 91
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry J. Parkes 32 Occupation as on Marriage cert Tool Maker.
Lottie Parkes 32
Mathew W. Parkes 13****her son by previous marrage now down as Parkes.

Lottie married Henry John Parkes in 1888


1891 Census

Name: Charlotte Parkes
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry J Parkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 24 Whateley Rd??

Registration district: West Bromwich******************
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2260
Folio: 46
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry J Parkes 40 Tool Maker
Charlotte Parkes 40















Poss for her fathers baptism??

Name: William Fawdrey
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1802
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Fawdrey
Mother: Sarah Fawdrey
Reference Number: DRO 34/7
Archive Roll: M178

Name: Hedley Parkes
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Charlotte Parkes
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Search Photos: Search for 'Handsworth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Tool Maker

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2710
Folio: 102
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Hedley Parkes 50 Reads Henry after something else has been crossed out Tool Maker.
Charlotte Parkes 50
Leo Lane 9 *****1892 Grandson*******
Jessie M Yates 18 Visitor


1911

Name: Leo Lane
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Handsworth, B Ham
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Search Photos: Search for 'Handsworth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 24 Whateley Rd, Handsworth, Birmingham
Occupation: Black & White Artist
Registration district: West Bromwich
Registration District Number: 371
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 52
Piece: 17223
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry John Parker 61
Charlotte Parker 60
Leo Lane 19 Grandson************ BLACK AND WHITE ARTIST

Name: Henry John Parkes
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1849*************
Baptism Date: 24 Dec 1849*************
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Father: Henry Parkes**** as on marriage cert
Mother: Ann Parkes
Reference Number: DRO 25
Archive Roll: M44

Address George Street West.

Fathers occupation on this document Labourer.

Name: Henry J Parkes
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Parkes
Mother's name: Ann Parkes
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 3089
Folio: 102
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Parkes 64 1807 Kings Norton, Warwickshire, INK MAKER as on marriage cert.
Ann Parkes 45 1826 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Henry J Parkes 21 Tool Maker
Joseph Parkes 20 Enameller
Sarah Parkes 18 General Servant
Elizabeth Parkes 16 General Servant
John Parkes 15 Lapper
William Parkes 12 Lapper
James Parkes 10 Jeweller
Ann Parkes 9
Ellen Parkes 8
Alfred Parkes 6
Emma Parkes 2
Louisa Parkes 1 Month

Thank you so much I did not expect all this information.
It will take me some time to go through but at first glance it looks like the marriage is in the wrong place. My Lane family are in Warwickshire. But I may have mist one.

If it's the Lane family you're researching, then we should be following Charlotte's first husband William Lane, who died between 1866 and 1871. Charlotte herself was only a Lane by marriage

This seems the most likely possibility for his death:

Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%)
Lane William 29 Cheltenham 6a 360

He was apparently still alive at his son Matthew's christening in 1867 - at least the christening record doesn't say otherwise.

The son Matthew was born June qr 1967:

LANE, MATTHEW WILLIAM FARDRY Order
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 399


According to William & Charlotte's marriage record, at the time of the marriage he was living in the Parish of Prestbury, and his father was a builder named Matthew.

William Lane
in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: William Lane
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1866
Age: Full
Spouse: Charlotte Fawdry
Father: Matthew Lane
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Gloucester, St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire
Parish as it Appears: St Mary
Register Type: Parish Registers



This will be his baptism - Matthew was a bricklayer:

William Lane
in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913
Name: William Lane
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1840
Parish: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Matthew Lane
Mother: Susan Lane
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts

And birth record:

William Lane
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Lane
Registration Year: 1840
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 199


William Sam [Lane]
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Sam
[William Lane]
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Hundred: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 353
Book: 8
Folio: 23
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Sam 40 - builder, NOT born in Gloucestershire
Matthew Sam 6
Hannah Sam 65
Sarah Sam 40 - Susan in image
Maria Sam 15
William Sam 1
Emma Artus 20 - servant


Mathew Lane
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mathew Lane
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan Lane
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Morton, Worcestershire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 228
Piece: 1973
Folio: 376
Page Number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Mathew Lane 51 - Proprietor of houses
Susan Lane 55

also on that record, but not transcribed on Ancestry:

Maria Ireland, daughter, 27
Henry Lane, son, 20
Charles Lane, son, 17
Georgina M Ireland, grand-daughter, 1
William Lane, son, 10

For William's occupation, it says "Formerly mason", and says he was born Castle Morton, Worcestershire. Maybe some of his father's details entered in the wrong place ??


So these Lanes are not from Warwickshire, unless further back.

Could be that William Lane below...

Chris :)
Birth
LANE William LANE LANE (Mother Maiden Name) CALDWELL 1840 Cheltenham Cheltenham, Cheltenham 5 136


Marriage
IRELAND George LANE Maria Cheltenham Winchcombe St Peter 1845 1 103

(probably the George Ireland, witness on 1866 Marriage)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx


29 January 1870 - Cheltenham Mercury - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

Death
26, at 40 Keynsham street, of brain disease, aged 29, William, son of the late Mr. Matthew Lane, builder.


1857 lane matthew U cheltenham 1857/279 builder Wills 1801 - 1858 Ordering Information

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx

(Gloucestershire Archives Genealogical Search)


(can we just ask what Cert. was checked?, bit confused!)

Thank you again I am sorry this turned out to be a wild goose chase.

From the original Certificate 1888 I read the age as 39 on the 1891 census under Charlotte Parkes she is age 40.

From your research and mine the only marriage is the one you found on the BT's for Charlotte Fawdry is 22nov 1866 this states that Charlotte and William were both of full age, But Charlotte would only be 15/17.

So I think there is no connection between the two Marriages.

In conclusion the Lane Family I have back to 1689 are all in Worcester And Warwickshire. 2 William Lanes one would have been 51 in 1866 the other would have been 43 there father was also William.
Eric