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good find, Austin

Eva''s death:

Name: Eva Laura Roper
[Eva Laura Kelly]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: Jun, 1872
Birth Place: Michigan
Death Date: 2 Jul 1918
Death Place: Owosso, Shiawassee, Michigan, USA
Death Age: 46
File Number: 500
Wife of HL Roper
Father: John Kelly
Mother: Orena Middleworth

Cause of death- accidental poisoning

This is him in the Passenger List leaving the UK :-D

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: H G Raper
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 2 Jun 1904
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Bavarian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Bavarian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: A Macnicol

from image:-
Occupation:- Labourer


and R. Sergeant, Lab, age 25, is in the same cabin

He MIGHT have been travelling with an R.J Sargeant .....

...... they seem to have shared a cabin, he was age 24, a Fitter, from Derby, and going to Peterboro'

here's his arrival in Canada, from Family Search


H L Roper
Canada Passenger Lists
Name H L Roper
Event Type Immigration
Event Date Jun 1904
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Male
Age 21
Birth Year (Estimated) 1883
Birthplace England
Ship Name Bavarian

from image:-
Travelled Steerage
Occupation:- Fitter
from Northampton
Going to:- Peterboro', Ont

Horace Leonard Roper

in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956


Name: Horace Leonard Roper
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Arrival Date: Oct 1904
Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan, USA
Residence Country: England
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 1


Seems he wasn't too truthful with his age.

The flip side of the marriage posted above. Usual residence for both of them was Durand. Why on earth did one of the records say her father was O D Barnes?

Name: Eva Laura Kelley
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1883
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1908
Marriage Place: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Father: John Kelley, blacksmith
Mother: June Middleworth
Spouse: Horace Leonard Roper

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928, 1933-1934

Name: Horace Leonard Roper

Age: 24

Birth Year: abt 1884

Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1908

Marriage Place: Essex, Ontario, Canada

Father: T J Roper

Mother: Martha Hibling Roper

Spouse: Eva Laura Kelley




Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952

Name: Horace L Roper

Gender: Male

Race: White

Birth Year: abt 1885

Birth Place: England

Marriage Date: 21 Apr 1919

Marriage Place: Owosso, Michigan, USA

Age: 34

Residence Place: Owosso

Father: F J Rope??

Mother: Martha Hibling

Spouse: Zora Ellen Lovett

Record Number: 10542

Film: 146

Film Description: 1919 Ontonagon - 1919 Wayne

Just as an aside, poor LaVerne enlisted a few months after his wedding. He did make it through the war though, dying in 1973.

Laverne C
Last name Nimphie
Race White
Birth year 1923
Birth state Michigan
Marital status Married
Enlistment year 1943
Enlistment month Jan
Enlistment day 23
Enlistment place Kalamazoo Michigan

Daughter Jane's marriage gives mother's name as Zora Ellen.

This is daughter Eileen's marriage:

Eileen Roper

in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Eileen Roper
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1924
Birth Place: Durand, Michigan
Marriage Date: 24 Oct 1942
Marriage Place: Durand, Shiawassee, Michigan, USA
License County: Shiawassee
Age: 18
Residence Place: Durand
Father: Horace Roper
Mother: Zora Sax
Spouse: LaVerne Nimphie
County File Number: 6230
State File Number: 765418
Film: 209
Film Title: 76 Shawassee 2500-5699
Film Description: Shiawassee (1934 - 1943)

I think this must be Zora. Her mother was Julia Foley (mentioned earler.)


1900 US Census Transcription

Owosso
County Shiawassee
State Michigan


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
William Sax Self Married Male 35 1865 New York
Transcription
Julia Sax Wife Married Female 32 1868 Ireland
Transcription
>>>Nellie Z Sax Daughter Single Female 12 1888 Michigan
Transcription
Paul H Sax Son Single Male 0 1900 Michigan
Transcription
>>Marguerite Foley Niece Single Female 10 1890 Michigan





1910 US Census Transcription

Owosso
County Shiawassee
State Michigan

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Wm Sax Self Married Male 44 1866 New York
Transcription
Julia Sax Wife Married Female 41 1869 Ireland
Transcription
>>>Ellen Sax Daughter Single Female 22 1888 Michigan
Transcription
Paul Sax Son Single Male 10 1900 Michigan
Transcription
Marie Sax Daughter Single Female 1 1909 Michigan
Transcription
Eva Hoenshell - Single Female 20 1890 Michigan


Eva was Eva L Barnes (father was O D Barnes, also mentioned earler.)


The Military record does read Mrs F J Roper but married women were often known as Mrs then the husband's name. eg Mrs Mary Ann Smith married to John James Smith would be known as Mrs J J Smith.

Many thanks for all the information received regarding Horace Leo Roper I never cease to be amazed how quick this info was obtained

many thanks Sylvain Canada and Alviegal

I think Eva Was probably the second christian name of Zora Mrs F J Roper Was actually MrF J Roper The father of Horace

Zora's death.


Social Security Death Index Transcription

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First name(s) Zora
Middle name -
Last name Roper
Suffix -
Birth year 1888
Birth month Feb
Birth day 05
Death year 1975
Death month Feb
Death day -
Place of issue Michigan
State Michigan

Name is Zora Sax here. No image available so can't check.

Horace Roper

in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Horace Roper
Gender: Male
Spouse: Zora Sax
Child: Eileen Roper
Film: 209
Film Title: 76 Shawassee 2500-5699
Film Description: Shiawassee (1934 - 1943)

Marriage record of daughter Jane Ann Roper to Joseph J. Fuja, 7 Oct. 1939 gives her mother's maiden name as Zora Ellen San.

snap alviegal !!

According to the 1930 US Census, Horace emigrated in 1904.

His immigration year was 1904 according to the 1930 census.

1920 US Census

First name(s) Horace
Last name Roper
Relationship Self
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 34
Birth year 1886
Birth place England
Ethnicity American
Race White
Can write Yes
Can read Yes
Own/rent Own
Spouse's first name(s) Jora
Spouse's last name Roper
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Father's birth place -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Mother's birth place -
City/township -
County Shiawassee
State Michigan
Record set US Census 1920
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from United States & Canada

Darn it!!

Horace doesn't give the date he entered the US

He is a Machinist with the R.R Co ....... ??Rail Road?

Zora says she and her father were born in Michigan, but her mother was born in Ireland


Also on there is

Leo Lovett, Stepson, age 6, born Michigan

Horace L Roper

in the Michigan, Marriage Records, 1867-1952
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Name: Horace L Roper
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 21 Apr 1919
Marriage Place: Owosso, Michigan, USA
Age: 34
Residence Place: Owosso
Father: F J Rope??
Mother: Martha Hibling
Spouse: Zora Ellen Lovett
Record Number: 10542
Film: 146
Film Description: 1919 Ontonagon - 1919 Wayne

They had each been previously married once. His mother's maiden name Martha Hibling, hers Julia Foley. Impossible to see her father's surname, it's in the fold of the page, begins Sa.