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Hi,

I just received a marriage certificate for Maria Nancy Broad and William Constable, they married 1877. Finding the family of William was fine but Maria is baffling me. She was born 1855 in Marylebone, her father is listed as George Broad, I can't find her on the census' until she is married. Any help would be fantastic.

Thank you :-)

What was George Broad's occupation?
Are the witnesses already known, or could they be Broad relatives?

The occupation I cannot make out, the writing is quite messy. The witnesses I am not sure of their connection.

Just to place them for the helper info

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
74, Southam Street, Kensington, London, England

William Constable Head Married Male 25 1856 Plasterers Labourer Kensington, Middlesex, England
Maria Constable Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
William L Constable Son Single Male 2 1879 - Kensington, Middlesex, England

Possibly note she has a brother George

1861 census
Name: Maria Broad
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Wife's Daur (Step Daughter)
Mother's name: Ann Willingall
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Piece: 79
Folio: 44
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Willingall 26
Ann Willingall 39
Jane Broad 12
George Broad 11
Thomas Broad 9
Maria Broad 5
Charles Willingell 2



Name: Maria Nancy Broad
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Marylebone
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 368

Occupation for George, Carrier, wits. H C Williams, Sarah Fell? (not sure, looks similar perhaps)

(image on Ancestry, London Marriages)

Chris :)

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

(Index of Old Occupations)

Carman/Charman/Carrier/
Carter/Cartman Driver of (horse-drawn) vehicles for transporting goods. Carmen were often employed by railway companies for local deliveries and collections of goods and parcels. Modern day van driver. A Carter typically drove a light two wheeled carriage. Also sometimes someone who drove horse-drawn trams was called a Carman.


(notes on 1871 Charles W, his occ. Cabman)

This looks like the. right surname

Births Jun 1859
WILLINGALE Charles Edward Pancras 1b 76

Maria 1871

Name: Maria Broad Willugate
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Spouse's Name: Charles Witbeck
Gender: Female
Where born: St Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household schedule number: 241
Piece: 48
Folio: 27
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Willugate 37
Ann Willugate 50
Thomas Broad Willugate 18
>>>>Maria Broad Willugate 15
Charles Witbeck 11
Caroline Weeks 40
James Weeks 18


Andy

So father was George
1851 census
Name: Jane Broad
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Broad
Mother's name: Ann Broad
Gender: Female
Where born: St Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 1489
Folio: 701
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
George Broad 32
Ann Broad 30
Margaret Broad 6
Jane Broad 2
George Broad 4 Mo
Thomas Broad 34
John Larkins 15h

Not sure of this one because father is a veterinary surgeon


Deaths Mar 1856
Broad George Marylebone 1a 323

Could be this one
1851,census
Jane Broad
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 338
Piece: 1490
Folio: 503
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smeed 36
Mary Smeed 38
Mary Smeed 14
Barbara Smeed 7
William Smeed 4
Emily Smeed 2
George Pope 23
Jane Broad 2
Elizth Simmonds 60

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Waller Caroline Marylebone 1 194
Weeks Samuel Marylebone 1 194


Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Weeks James Marylebone 1a 370

(no idea, but as Caroline Weeks is sister in law on 1871, wondered if above?)

Chris :)

(if below)

Hertfordshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Ann
Last name Waller
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 14 Sep 1817
Place Ware, St Mary the Virgin
Father's first name(s) William
Father's occupation Bricklayer
Mother's first names(s) Margaret


First name(s) Caroline
Last name Waller
Baptism year1825
Baptism date 01 Apr 1825
Place Ware, St Mary the Virgin
Father's first name(s) William
Father's occupation Bricklayer
Mother's first names(s) Margaret


Edits (Ann Broad as witness on 1850 Caroline Waller Marriage)

(oh!)

Chris :)

31 July 1858 - Marylebone Mercury - London, London, England

MARYLEBONE.
Affiliation. Anne Weller attended in support of a summons which she had obtained against George Broad, a veterinary surgeon, living in Brown-street, Marylebone, in regard to four children to which, while living with defendant, for many years, as his wife, she had given birth. Defendant neglected to attend in obedience to the process of the court, and after Baldwin, the officer, had been examined as to his having served the summons upon him, and evidence being given by complainant and other witnesses, an order was made on defendant to pay 10s. per week, being 2s. 6d. for each of the four children.

mmn ..............

from new GRO Index

BROAD, MARIA NANCY mmn WALLER
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 368

1851
Samuel Wicks Head Married Male 28 1823 Carpenter Devon, England
Caroline Wicks Wife - Female 26 1825 - Hertfordshire, England
Street Carlisle Street
Parish St Marylebone
County Middlesex
Registration district Marylebone
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1491
Folio 138
Page 27


1861 (Find My Past)
Caroline Waks Head Widow Female 36 1825 Charwoman Ware, Hertfordshire, England
James Waks Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Street Georgiana Street
Parish Pancras
County London, Middlesex
Parliamentary boroughMarylebone
Ecclesiastical district St Stephens
Registration district Pancras
Enumeration district 4
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 115
Folio number 119
Page number 1


1841 (Find My Past)
William Fewster Male 40 1801 Middlesex, England Painter
Sarah Fewster Female 40 1801
William Hansell Male 20 1821
William Smeed Male 25 1816 Middlesex, England Victualler
Mary Smeed Female 25 1816
Mary Smeed Female 4 1837
Caroline Waller Female 10 1831
Ann Waller Female 20 1821 Milliner
Jane Mortimer Female 25 1816
Ann Hender Female 55 1786
Street Wyndham Street
Parish or township St Marylebone
City or borough St Marylebone
County Middlesex
Registration district Marylebone
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 679
Book number 8
Folio number 51
Page number 41


1841
George Broad Male 20 1821 Veterinary Surgeon
Street Crawford Mews
Parish or township St Marylebone
City or borough Marylebone
County Middlesex
Registration district Marylebone
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 679
Book number 7
Folio number 50
Page number 36

Chris :)

BROAD, MARGARET GEORGIANNA WALLER
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 176


BROAD, GEORGE WALLER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 243


WALLER, ELIZA JANE -
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 223

(if Jane above)

Thank you so much for your help, I got some certificates and George Broad the Veterinary Surgeon is the correct one!

George married Anne Waller, but I can't find a marriage? :-)

The 1858 newspaper report posted by Chris says Ann had been "living as his wife" - so presumably they weren't married.

George Broad died in 1856, the article above is from 1858? So was the case from a few years earlier and just published late? Or did this happen after he died?

She did eventually marry Charles, in the same quarter as the birth of son Charles:

Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Waller Ann Holborn 1b 680
Willingate Charles Holborn 1b 680

Interesting, BradM!

George "neglected to attend court". I wonder if they didn't know he'd died?

But it seems unlikely that the summons would have been served two years earlier.

Are you sure the 1856 death is the right George?


EDIT:

How about this one? His YOB would match with that given for George in 1851 census:

Deaths Mar 1874 (>99%)
BROAD George 55 Pancras 1b 93

Do you have Ann & Charles's marriage cert? does it say she was a widow?