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Hello! :)

Im looking for a family who left England for South Africa but i dont know where to start looking?!

I know they travelled from Durban to Southampton in 1960. I googled the wifes names and it came up on a website (http://www.identitynumber.org/2008-surname-results.php?surname=BUNCE) so i know the mother at least passed away in SA.

Is there anywhere i can search for BMD's? or newspaper records?

The family in question is

Arthur Frederick Bunce b. 1910 London
Helen Vilma Johanna Stockitt b. 1921 ?
David Peter Bunce b. 1947 Hendon, Middlesex
Mary Ann Bunce b. 1951
Alan John Bunce b. 1956


Any help would be great!

Thank you

The address they were going to was 10 Arundel Drive , Saltdean Brighton

They were intending to stay in the UK

Travel records online only go to 1960 I,m afraid

This is from Ancestry (no image) and seems to amalgamate both the parent's names

South Africa, Estates Death Index, 1999-2014
Name: Arthur Frederic Helen Wilma Johanna
Death Date: 8 Mar 1979
High Court: Western Cape High Court
High Court Provincial Division: Cape Town, The Western Cape, South Africa
Estate Number: 1747/1979
Will: NO
Customary Law: NO
Spouse: Bunce

At least it gives you a Province to work with

National Archives of South Africa (NASA)
(Database: Cape Town Records Centre)

3/CT B/1083 B6230/57 SIGN, NO 5B REGENT ROAD, SEA POINT: AF BUNCE AND CO (PTY) LTD. 1957

(if anything above, from below)

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300dl

Chris :)

This could be them leaving for SA in 1950:

Mr A Bunce 40 Occ: Director
Mrs Bunce 27
Master Bunce 3
Last UK Address: 15 Holmhall Parade, Burnt Oak
Country of Intended future residence: S Africa

Departure 3 August 1950
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship name ATHLONE CASTLE
Ship official number 164620
Ship master's first name C
Ship master's last name PAGE
Ship master's title CAPT
Shipping line UNION-CASTLE-LINE
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship registered tonnage 15345
Number of passengers 19
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http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za
DESCRIPTION IMMIGRATION PAPERS AF BUNCE AND FAMILY.
STARTING 1950
ENDING 1950
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Googling gives possible match for Alan living in New Zealand

Thank you guys! Do you think 1979 could have been Helen or Arthur's date of death?

Also what are your thoughts on Helen's place of birth? Searched uk records but she wasnt born here.. looking at her full name im thinking possibly German? On the marriage certificate she is listed as Stockitt but im thinking perhaps it was Stockett which is a German surname.

I also just found a document on another website listing Alfred's company he either owned or ran.. any idea where i can get more info on this company?

FYI

AF BUNCE AND CO. (PTY.) LTD

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm30ddf0?20161219144633CF624D68

You mean Arthur?

I suspect that Vilma Stockitt born c1900 is the mother of Philip Bernard Stockitt born c1923 and Helen Vilma J Stockitt. Vilma and Philip were accountants they travelled a lot- many times to South Africa.

On the London Electoral register they are living at the same address:

1946:
10 Chalcot Gardens Hampstead

Arthur F Bunce<<<<<<<<<<
Helen V Bunce<<<<<<<<<<<
Frances Mackey
John Mackey
Grace F Ridley
William F Ridley
Malvin Side
Vilma Stockitt<<<<<<<<<<<
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Vilma is listed as single woman when she dies, but did wonder if she was the mother to Helen & Philip.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

Name: Vilma Eira Lillian Stockitt
Death Date: 1 Jan 1961
Death Place: London, England
Probate Date: 13 Nov 1961

Single woman of 15 Inglewood Road, London. Administration London to Philip Bernard Stockitt chartered accountant.

The surname was changed from Stoeckicht by Deedpole:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35460/page/813/data.pdf

THE LONDON GAZETTE, 17 FEBRUARY, 1942

Notice is hereby givien the Vilma Eira Lillian Stoeckicht (otherwise Stockit) of 15 Lambollee Road, Hampstead, London intends for herself and her children to assume the surname Stockitt
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Also confirms she was a single woman with children.

Helen's marriage also listed under STOECKICHT

First name(s) HELEN V J
Last name STOECKICHT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1944
Spouse's last name BUNCE
District HENDON
County Middlesex
Volume 3A Page 1212
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German Phone Directories, 1915-1981
Name: Vilma Stoeckicht
Occupation: 4-
Year: 1937
Street address: Frau, Saarallee 20. über
Locality: Frankfurt am Main, Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)

Possibly Philip Bernard- he was found to be exempt from internment. He returned to UK from Canada on S.S Georgie in 1941, and was naturalised in 1947.

Britain, enemy aliens and internees, First and Second World Wars Transcription

First name(s) Karl Philipp Bernard Werner
Last name Stockicht
Occ: Student
Birth Date: 19 December 1923
Birth place Frankfurt
Residence town Cringleford
Residence county Norfolk
Nationality German
Conflict Second World War
Series Home Office: Aliens Department: Internees Index, 1939-1947
Document details Dead Index - Wives of Germans, Stern-Tscher
Year range 1941-1947
Archive reference HO 396/241
Archive The National Archives
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Death of Philip's wife:

Name: Carol De Butts Stockitt
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1924
Date of Registration: Oct 1986
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Northampton
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 7 Page: 2366

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11967079

(Naturalisation Certificate: Helen Vilma Johanna Stoeckicht. Certificate BZ958 Note(s): Child of Vilma Eira Lillian Stoeckicht.
Naturalisation Certificate: Vilma Eira Lillian Stoeckicht. From Germany. Resident in Richmond, Surrey. Certificate BZ958 issued 29 June 1938

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13487019

(STOECKICHT, K P B W)

(This record is closed for 100 years
Opening date: 01 January 2048)

Nice find Chris- this too for Philip:

STOECKICHT, K P B W aka STOCKITT, P B Year of Birth 1923
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13487019

and Philip's naturalisation:

Description:

Naturalisation Certificate: Philip Bernard Stockitt. From Germany. Resident in London. Certificate AZ25584 issued 26 April 1947.
Date: 1947 Apr 26

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11851009

guys thats brilliant! Thank you!