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The only things on a death certificate that you can be certain are accurate are .........

date and place of death
cause of death
name of informant/coroner

Literally everything else is only what the informant knows or has been told by the deceased. No birth or marriage certificates have to be shown.

People tell lies about their age or name (!!) even to close family let alone to casual friends.

Well, when you think about it could you remember the dob of your sister in law or even your aunt - I know I couldn't! Hardly surprising the death record doesn't match - and this is also needed to get probate.

Birth cert arrived today DOB 29th Nov 1899 so death cert and Probate record have the wrong date. Thankyou all for your help
Christine.

Thanks Flip for that info
She had a sister in law and nieces and nephews in Lincoln who she visited, she was my father in laws Aunt (sister of his late father Albert Edward Riley)
She was at my wedding in 1969
Christine.

As Clarence pre-deceased her in 1970 (same address according to his probate) & I think Florence died in 1967, then there would be no close family left to provide the coroner with the details of her birth - possibly a friend guessed?

(saw below item)

Chris :)

23 June 1945 - Burnley Express - Burnley, Lancashire, England

RILEY - HARTSHORN. At Sion Chapel, by the Rev. J. D. Robertson, Clarence George Riley to Florence Hartshorn, June 26th, 1920. With all good wishes on your silver wedding —Love Emily.

RILEY - HARTSHORN - Love and best wishes. Alice and Arthur


Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Hartshorn Florence Riley Burnley 8e 902
Riley Clarence G Hartshorn Burnley 8e 902

Yes that was a thread I put on when I was first a member in 2008 I only joined again 2016 after a few years break.
Albert Edward and Emily Annie were siblings

Christine

Yes that is the right family
I am still waiting for the birth cert to come
On the death cert she is just Emily (no Annie) Riley a retired weaver of 39 Spencer Street Burnley
Cause of death Road Accident (I know she died after a bus accident) there was an Inquest held on 27th March 1973
Is there any where I would find info about this?

Its just the date & place of birth on the 1939 Register and Death Cert not matching will have to wait for birth cert to come
Thankyou for your help.
Christine

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1045162

(old 'Thread' above, not sure if it got 'sorted', looks to relate?)

Chris :)

(above has mention of below)

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place (link for place information) East Retford
Church name St Swithun
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 09 Jun 1888
Person forename Albert Edward
Person sex M
Person abode East St
Father forename Edward
Father surname RILEY
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Hannah

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


RILEY, ALBERT EDWARD (EBBS)
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 17


(if him below)

County Nottinghamshire
Place (link for place information) Ordsall
Church name All Hallows
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 414
Marriage date 27 Mar 1910
Groom forename Albert Edward
Groom surname RILEY
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 64 Cobwell Road
Groom occupation Fireman
Bride forename Amelia
Bride surname MAJOR
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Cobwell Road
Groom father forename Edward
Groom father surname RILEY
Groom father occupation Fireman
Bride father forename Henry
Bride father surname MAJOR
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness Arthur MAJOR
Witness Sarah HAKES
Register note By banns

She died in 1973:

Probate:

Name: Emily Annie Riley
Death Date: 22 Feb 1973
Death Place: Burnley
Probate Date: 18 May 1973
Registry: Liverpool

RILEY- Emily Annie of 39 Spencer Street Burnley died 22nd Feb 1973 Probate Liverpool 18 May £1559
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So on the face of it, it does look like a mistake was made:

Name: Emily Riley
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1900
Date of Registration: Mar 1973
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b Page: 2355

A death certificate is only as accurate as the informant knows- mistakes can and do happen.

For Ref- is this the Emily you are following (daughter of Edward Riley and Hannah Ebb)?

Riley Household (3 People) 39 Spencer Street , Burnley C.B., Lancashire, England

Clarence G Riley 03 Sep 1893 Male Plain Cotton Weaver Married
Florence Riley 23 Mar 1896 Female Plain Cotton Weaver Married
Emily Annie Riley 29 Nov 1899 Female Plain Cotton Weaver Single
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Birth: (do you have her birth certificate?)
Name: Emily Annie Riley (mmn Ebbs)
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: East Retford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b Page: 12
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and baptism for Clarence:

First name(s) Clarence George
Last name Riley
Birth year -
Baptism year 1893
Baptism date 23 Sep 1893
Denomination Anglican
Church St Swithun
Baptism place East Retford
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Riley
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Mother's last name Riley
Residence East St

Please can any one tell me how accurate a death cert is

I have received Emily Riley's death cert but the place and DOB do not match with the info I have which do you think is the correct one ?

Death cert 15th Dec 1900 Lincoln
1901 1911 Census Retford
1939 Reg 29th Nov 1899

The informant on death cert was the coroner Do you think he got it wrong ?

Thank you Christine