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i am trying to trace the birth place of my grandmother Mary O'Brien who was
born in 1885 and lived in Liverpool

Have you found her on a census please? who did she marry and when ?

Hi
no i didn't find her on a census i found her through my mothers birth registration
all i know is that she was born in 1885 and that she married a Mr Philip Coutanche in Liverpool in 1906

Here's the marriage just a starter

Name: Philip Coutanche
Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 23
Marriage Date: 19 Aug 1906
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Mary OBrien
Father's name: John Alfred Coutanche ( sailmaker)
Spouse Father's Name: Thomas OBrien ( mariner)
Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/110

is this her did mary have a middle name

England and Wales Census, 1901
Name
Mary O Brien
Event Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
County
Lancashire
Civil Parish
Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical Parish
St Philemons
Sub-District
Toxteth Park
Registration District
Toxteth Park
Residence Note
Dorrit Street
Gender
Female
Age
16
Occupation
DRESSMAKER
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1885
Birthplace
Lpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type
259
Page Number
43
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Thomas O Brien
Head
M
64
Ireland
Bridget O Brien
Wife
F
62
Ireland
Mary O Brien
Daughter
F
16
Lpool, Lancashire
Thomas Clarke
Boarder
M
23
Lpool, Lancashire

Mistranscribed on the 1911 with O'Briens


Mary O Chileshe
in the 1911 England Census

Name: Mary O Chileshe
[Mary Coutanche]
[Mary O Brier]
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Lithotomer Street Lpool
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bag Mender
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Scotland
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 22124
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas O Brier 50
Mary O Brier 49
Thomas O Brier 21
Mary O Chileshe 26
Michael O Brier 19
Palrick O Brier 14
Alice Redmore 56

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Carson Street Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Contanche Head Married Male Sailmaker 51 1860 Jersey Chan Resident
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Kathrine Contanche Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Liverpool Lanc
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Sarah Contanche Daughter Single Female - 18 1893 Liverpool Lanc
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Lily Contanche Daughter Single Female - 13 1898 Liverpool Lanc
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Philip Contanche Son Married Male Labourer 27 1884 Liverpool Lanc
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Mary Contanche Grandchild Single Female - 4 1907 Liverpool Lanc
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Elizabeth Contanche Grandchild Single Female - 2 1909 Liverpool Lanc
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Ruby Contanche Grandchild Single Female - 0 1911 Liverpool Lanc
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Dehlia Contanche Daughter Single Female - 0 1911 Liverpool Lanc
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Julia Cleary Boarder Widow Female Chip Chopper 70 1841 Liverpool Lanc
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Kate Brady Boarder Married Female Char-Woman 32 1879 Liverpool Lanc
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Samuel Cleary Boarder Single Female Labouerer General 30 1881 Liverpool Lanc

COUTANCHE, DELIA O'BRIEN Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 76
COUTANCHE, ELIZABETH O'BRIEN Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 546
COUTANCHE, RUBY O'BRIEN Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 76

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Lithotomer Street Liverpool, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Obrien Head Married Male Dock Labourer 50 1861 Wexford Ireland Wexford Res
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Mary Obrien Wife Married Female At Home 49 1862 Wexford Ireland Wexford Res
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Thomas Obrien Son Single Male Brass Finisher 21 1890 Liverpool Lanc
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Mary Conlerahe Daughter Married Female Bag Mender 26 1885 Liverpool Lanc
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Michael Obrien Son Single Male Barman 19 1892 Liverpool Lanc
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Patrick Obrien Son S Male Grocers Apprentice 14 1897 Liverpool Lanc
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Alice Redmond Sister In Law Single Female Vegetable Cook 56 1855 Wexford Ireland Wexford Res

Maria O'Brien
in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Maria O'Brien
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1884
Baptism Date: 21 Sep 1884
Parish: St Joseph's, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Thomae Obrien
Mother's name: Mariae Redmund

Name
Philip Coutanche
Event Type
Census
Event Date
31 Mar 1901
Event Place
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County
Lancashire
Civil Parish
Liverpool
Ecclesiastical Parish
St Titus
Sub-District
St Martin
Registration District
Liverpool
Residence Note
Hornby Street
Gender
Male
Age
18
ccupation
OIL CAKE LABOURER
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Birth Year (Estimated)
1883
Birthplace
Liverpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type
350
Page Number
55
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Coutanche
Head
M
44
Jersey
Kate Coutanche
Wife
F
40
Liverpool, Lancashire
Philip Coutanche xxxxx
Son
M
18
Liverpool, Lancashire
Louisa Coutanche
Daughter
F
16
Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah Coutanche
Daughter
F
9
Liverpool, Lancashire
Ann Coutanche
Daughter
F
7
Liverpool, Lancashire
Lillie Coutanche
Daughter
F
3
Liverpool, Lancashire

Thos Obrien
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Thos Obrien
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Obrien
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin in the Fields
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3412
Folio: 67
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 564
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Obrien 41 - sailor at sea
Mary Obrien 39 - Ireland
Mary Obrien 17 - tailoress, Liverpool
Thomas Obrien 12
Michael Obrien 10
Margret Obrien 7
Patrick Obrien 5

Wonder if Mary was her mother's middle name?

Thomas
Last name O'Brien
Registration year 1881
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1881
Registration district Enniscorthy
Volume 4
Page 507
MarriageFinder™ Thomas O'Brien married one of these people
Mary Murphy, Susan Currin, Martiol Rebitre, Mary Kehoe, Bridget Redmond, Susan Cunin
County -
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland
copyright Family Search

There are a few Bridget Redmonds born around that time in Wexford but this one would tie in with age given on the census.

First name(s) Bridget
Last name Redmond
Birth year -
Baptism year 1861
Baptism date 05 Apr 1861
Parish Marshalstown
Alternative parish names Kilmarshal, Kilmeashal, Marshallstown, Marshalstown and Kilmeashal
Diocese Ferns
County Wexford
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Redmond
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Cawman
Repository National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland link http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634073#page/1/mode/1up
Register Baptism
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Ireland
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ALICE REDMOND sister in law who was living with Thomas O'Brien 1911 was visiting with Peter O'Brien and family in 1901...
Name Alice Redmond
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Civil Parish Liverpool
Ecclesiastical Parish St Martins In The Fields
Sub-District St Martin
Registration District Liverpool
Gender Female
Age 42
Occupation DOMESTIC SERVANT
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Birth Year (Estimated) 1859
Birthplace Ireland
Schedule Type 213
Page Number 32


Peter O'Brien was a Sailor and his wife Elizabeth was nee Clancy..so I am guessing Thomas and Peter were brothers and Alice was related through Thomas' marriage to Marie Redmond

thank you to everyone for your help will keep you all informed off my progress

Ann