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Hi safc
Have check john marriage to elizabeth marple and Elizabeth had no children out of marriage so i have ruled that family out
I have search all day for both farther john and daughter elizabeth holt
So i am thinking in 1844 when Elizabeth holt married Joseph Richardson and and elizabeths farther john holt was a bookkeeper but when Elizabeth was born john may not of been a bookkeeper
The only other lead i have is Elizabeth holt residence at time of marriages on the wedding certificate is springfield lane

Good morning thank you all for your time it sure gives me something to work on i appreciate you help
Susan

HOLT, ELIZA MARPLE MARPLE Order
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 20 Page 213

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brydon Street, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Holt Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Holt Female 40 1801 Lancashire, England
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Edward Holt Male 3 1838 Lancashire, England
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Eliza Marples Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England



HOLT, EDWARD MARPLE Order
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 223

if
this is the right marriage
then elizabeth would be born before the marriage ie 1824 to 1828
may be to elizabeth marple ?

Marriage: 6 Jul 1831 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Holt - Bookkeeper, Bachelor, this parish
Elizabeth Marple - Spinster, this parish
Witness: W. H. Marple; Thomas Clarke, Clerk
Married by Banns by: R. Bassnett, Curate
Register: Marriages 1829 - 1833, Page 160, Entry 480
Source: LDS Family Search

Have you considered this as a siting of Elizabeth in 1841???? Unfortunately not with her parents, but that is not unusual

1841 Census

Name: Elizabeth Holt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton

Piece: 536
Book: 7
Folio: 53
Page Number: 31

Ann Greenhalgh 20 b.in Lancashire, Dressmaker
Elizabeth Holt 20 Dressmaker

Address:- Rothwell Street


Ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 in the 1841 Census (and only that one), so shown as age 20 means both women could be between 20 and 24 ............... correct age range for Elizabeth.

I'm going to post records of Elizabeth Holts baptised in Lancashire with father John whether or not the are yours .......... just to rule them out.

I'm sure you have checked them out, but just to stop other helpers sepnding time chasing them up. :-)


NOT YOURS

Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Father is a Cotton Spinner ..........

Name: Elizabeth Holt
Age: 0
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1826
Baptism Date: 16 Apr 1826
Baptism Place: Goodshaw, St Mary and All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Goodshaw
Search Photos: Search for 'Goodshaw, St Mary and All Saints' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Holt
Mother: Alice Holt
Reference Number: GB127.L82/1/2/1


Father a Plasterer .................

Name: Elizabeth Holt
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1820
Baptism Place: Rochdale, St Chad, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Rochdale
Search Photos: Search for 'Rochdale, St Chad' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Holt
Mother: Jane Holt
Reference Number: L48/1/3/3
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 643


Father a Husbandman .........

Name: Elizabeth Holt
Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1823
Baptism Place: Heywood, St Luke, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Heywood
Search Photos: Search for 'Heywood, St Luke' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Holt
Mother: Betty Holt
Reference Number: GB127.L88/1/2/1


Father a Joiner ............

Name: Elizabeth Hott
[Elizabeth Holt]
Baptism Date: 27 Feb 1825
Baptism Place: Shaw, Holy Trinity, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Shaw
Search Photos: Search for 'Shaw, Holy Trinity' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Hott
Mother: Betty Hott
Reference Number: GB127.L201/1/3/1


Father a Weaver .....

Name: Elizabeth Holt
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1827
Baptism Place: Newton Heath, All Saints, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester & Chapelry Of Newton
Search Photos: Search for 'Newton Heath, All Saints' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Holt
Mother: Maria Holt
Reference Number: M362/1/2/3
Item Number: 6
Archive Roll: 803

If Elizabeth was full age on her marriage in 1844 (and told the truth!!), she had to be at least 21, thus was born 1823/4 or earlier.

That would fit with her age in 1891.

35 in 1861 = ~1826

53 in 1876 = 1823

Not unusual to have different ages / birth years .............. depends partly on when a census or marriage took place vs a person's birth date, but also many of our ancestors didn't really know how old they were!!!

Susan ...................


if you are looking for births marriages and deaths in Lancashire always always check the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks site (lancs opc)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


They have incredible coverage up until about the 1920s.


The Home Page will give you an idea of the areas and parishes covered. It is a site with continuous updates ..........

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

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Marriage: 6 Jul 1831 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Holt - Bookkeeper, Bachelor, this parish
Elizabeth Marple - Spinster, this parish
Witness: W. H. Marple; Thomas Clarke, Clerk
Married by Banns by: R. Bassnett, Curate
Register: Marriages 1829 - 1833, Page 160, Entry 480
Source: LDS Family Search

Hi i have checked it out elizabeths father
John holt was a book keeper not a baker as it says on thar birth
malyon.

Thank will check it out

Name
Elizabeth Holt
Gender
Female
Christening Date
03 Jun 1827
Christening Date (Original)
03 JUN 1827
Christening Place
CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name
John Holt
Mother's Name
Agness

Elizabeth Holt
mentioned in the record of Joseph Richardson and Elizabeth Holt
Name
Joseph Richardson
Spouse's Name
Elizabeth Holt
Event Date
27 Oct 1844
Event Place
Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England

Hello
I need help with a birth look up please
Name is elizabeth holt her father is john holt
Elizabeth holt married joseph Richardson oct 27 1844
Both full age elizabeths address is springfield lane Salford
Her father john holt is down as a book keeper
When joseph died Elizabeth married thomas cook 17 may 1876 Elizabeth age is 53
And father still a bookkeeper
I do not have her mother name
In the 1861 census
Joseph Richardson 39
Elizabeth Richardson 35
So the age is out ftom census and marriage to thomas cook
In the 1891 census
Elizabeth age is 68
I cannot find the birth to a john holt who is a bookkeeper or the 1841 census before Elizabeth was married
Any help would be very helpful
Susan