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Ruth

Ruth Report 18 Oct 2017 10:36

I am trying to find out who John Prior married as from tree share I was given to believe it was a Rhoda Potter of feering Essex. John Prior born 1812 Copford Essex. I cant find any Rhoda Potter marriage to John though. First child born in 1835. I can only find 1 census record with Rhoda on and no records going back to her family. any help appreciated .

Kense

Kense Report 18 Oct 2017 10:52

Ancestry has a tree with him marrying Rhoda Wiseman at Feering on 18 Oct 1832.

Kense

Kense Report 18 Oct 2017 11:01

You would be able to confirm that with a visit to the Essex Record Office or subscribing to the SEAX site where you would be able to view the Feering marriages and download any you were interested in.

SEAX subscription is £10 for 24 hours or £20 for a week. If you have a lot of Essex ancestors in your tree it can be worth it.

EDIT Link to SEAX
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Default.aspx?SearchDocs=1&intSearchType=12

Ruth

Ruth Report 18 Oct 2017 11:09

Thank you, that will probably explain why I cant find anything on her and her family. I have never heard of the SEAX site so I have learnt something today.

Kense

Kense Report 18 Oct 2017 11:13

The Ancestry tree (Merriday Family Tree) has census entries for Rhoda in 1841 at Layer Breton, and 1851, 1871 & 1881 all at Birch in Essex.

There are several children: John, Jane Mary Ann, William, Eliza, James and Elizabeth.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 18 Oct 2017 13:33

Not sure on below...(second one matches date from Ken above)

Chris :)

County Essex
Place Feering
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 66
Marriage date 3 Oct 1827
Groom forename John
Groom surname POTTER
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Feering
Bride forename Maria
Bride surname WISEMAN
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Little Tey
Witness Hannah CHAPMAN
Witness Jacob LAMBERT
Register note License


County Essex
Place Feering
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 101
Marriage date 18 Oct 1832
Groom forename John
Groom surname ROYCE
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Birch
Bride forename Rhoda
Bride surname WISEMAN
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Feering
Witness Henry ADAM
Witness Amelia ROYCE
Register note With consent

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Ruth

Ruth Report 18 Oct 2017 14:29

Lost now, so John Prior never married Rhoda Wiseman either. In the census John has Rhoda as wife so that much I know

malyon

malyon Report 18 Oct 2017 14:32

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Jane Prior
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name
Jane Prior
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1851
Event Place
Birch, Essex, England
Registration District
Lexden
Gender
Female
Age
14
Marital Status
Unmarried
Relationship to Head of Household
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated)
1837
Birthplace
Layer Breton, Essex
Page Number
16
Registration Number
HO107
Piece/Folio
1782 / 404
Affiliate Record Type
Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Prior
Head
M
39
Copford, Essex
Rhoda Prior
Wife
F
39
Feering, Essex
John Prior
Son
M
16
Layer Marney, Essex
Jane Prior
Daughter
F
14
Layer Breton, Essex
Mary Ann Prior
Daughter
F
12
Layer Breton, Essex
William Prior
Son
M
10
Layer Breton, Essex
Eliza Prior
Daughter
F
6
Layer Breton, Essex
James Prior
Son
M
1
Birch, Essex

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Oct 2017 14:35



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Near Claypit Farm, Birch, Lexden, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Prior Head Married Male 39 1812 Ag Lab Copford, Essex, England
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Rhoda Prior Wife Married Female 39 1812 Ag Lab Wife Feering, Essex, England
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John Prior Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag Lab Layer Marney, Essex, England
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Jane Prior Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 - Layer Breton, Essex, England
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Mary Ann Prior Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Layer Breton, Essex, England
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William Prior Son - Male 10 1841 Ag Lab Layer Breton, Essex, England
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Eliza Prior Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Layer Breton, Essex, England
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James Prior Son - Male 1 1850 - Birch, Essex, England



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Near Beckingham Hall, North Mulberry Green, Copford, Lexden, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Prior Head Married Male 48 1813 Agricultural Labourer Birch, Essex, England
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Rhona Prior Wife Married Female 48 1813 - Feering, Essex, England
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James Prior Son - Male 11 1850 Agricultural Labourer Birch, Essex, England
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Elizabeth Prior Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Birch, Essex, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Maldon Road, Birch, Lexden, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Prior Head - Male 60 1811 - Essex, England
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Rhoda Prior Wife - Female 60 1811 - Essex, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Near White Horse, Birch, Lexden, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Prior Head Married Male 70 1811 Ag Lab Copford, Essex, England
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Rhoda Prior Wife Married Female 70 1811 - Feering, Essex, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cottage, Heckford Bridge, Birch, Lexden, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Prior Head Married Male 79 1812 - Essex, England
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Rosla Prior Wife Married Female 69 1822 -Feering Essex, England




National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Prior
Age 87
Birth year 1812
Death year 1899
Burial year 1899
Burial date 17 Sep 1899
Church St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Place Birch
County Essex




National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription

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First name(s) Rhoda
Last name Prior
Age 81
Birth year 1811
Death year 1892
Burial year 1892
Burial date 29 Dec 1892
Church St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Place Birch
County Essex

Kense

Kense Report 18 Oct 2017 14:39

It could simply be that the vicar made a mistake when he filled in the marriage record. Probably the couple could not read so they would not have noticed the mistake.

There were several Royces in Feering The Rhoda Prior in the censuses was definitely from Feering.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 18 Oct 2017 14:43

This is the birth of son William who is on the 1851 census which gives mother's maiden name Wiseman:-

PRIOR, WILLIAM WISEMAN
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in LEXDEN & WINSTREE UNION Volume 12 Page 130

EDIT :- also son James gives same mother's maiden name:-

PRIOR, JAMES WISEMAN
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in LEXDEN AND WINSTREE UNION Volume 12 Page 61

Other children from the 1851 census also have births with Wiseman as mother's maiden name.

Kath. x

Ruth

Ruth Report 18 Oct 2017 14:46

Lost now, so John Prior never married Rhoda Wiseman either. In the census John has Rhoda as wife so that much I know

malyon

malyon Report 18 Oct 2017 14:47

Rhoda Wiseman
England Births and Christenings
Name
Rhoda Wiseman
Gender
Female
Christening Date
24 Nov 1811
Christening Date (Original)
24 NOV 1811
Christening Place
INDEPENDENT,GREAT COGGESHALL,ESSEX,ENGLAND
Birth Date
07 Oct 1811
Father's Name
William Wiseman
Mother's Name
Elizabeth

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Oct 2017 14:51



Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PRIOR, MARY ANN WISEMAN
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in LEXDEN & WINSTREE UNION, ESSEX Volume 12 Page 117



Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PRIOR, ELIZA WISEMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in LEXDEN AND WINSTREE UNION Volume 12 Page 133



Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PRIOR, ELIZABETH ANN WISEMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in LEXDEN AND WINSTREE UNION Volume 04A Page 242

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Oct 2017 15:04

The baptism of Rhoda Wiseman found by malyon above states that her mother, Elizabeth was from Feering.

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Oct 2017 15:21

These are possibly sisters of Rhoda.



England & Wales Non-conformist births and baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Rose
Last name Wiseman
Birth year 1821
Birth date 10 Jun 1821
Baptism year 1821
Baptism date 19 Aug 1821
Place Kelvedon
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Essex



First name(s) Ruth
Last name Wiseman
Birth year 1825
Birth date 24 Jan 1825
Baptism year 1825
Baptism date 13 Mar 1825
Place Kelvedon
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Essex


which would mean this is Elizabeth.



1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Langley Green, Feering, Witham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
James Godfrey Male 22 1819 Essex, England
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Jane Godfrey Female 22 1819 Essex, England
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Elizabeth Godfrey Female 2 1839 Essex, England
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James Godfrey Male 0 1841 Essex, England
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>>Elizabeth Wiseman Female 61 1780 Essex, England
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>>Ruth Wiseman Female 14 1827 Essex, England




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Langley Farm, Feering, Witham, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Rootkin Head Married Male 26 1825 Ag Lab Coggeshall, Essex, England
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>>Rose Rootkin Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Feering, Essex, England
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Emily Rootkin Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Coggeshall, Essex, England
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>>Elizabeth Wiseman Mother Widow Female 70 1781 Pauper Feering, Essex, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Oct 2017 15:37

Other possible siblings of Rhoda.

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Wiseman
Gender Female
Birth year 1816
Birth place Kelvedon, Essex, England
Baptism year -
Residence Essex, England
Place -
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wiseman
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth


First name(s) Harriet
Last name Wiseman
Gender Female
Birth year 1814
Birth place Kelvedon, Essex, England
Baptism year -
Residence Essex, England
Place -
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wiseman
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth


First name(s) Jane
Last name Wiseman
Gender Female
Birth year 1818
Birth place Kelvedon, Essex, England
Baptism year -
Residence Essex, England
Place -
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wiseman
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth


First name(s) Mariah
Last name Wiseman
Birth year 1806
Birth date 10 Oct 1806
Baptism year 1806
Baptism date 09 Nov 1806
Place Coggeshall
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Essex


First name(s) Mark
Last name Wiseman
Birth year 1809
Birth date 01 Jan 1809
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 26 Feb 1809
Place Coggeshall
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Essex


First name(s) Townsend
Last name Wiseman
Birth year 1823
Birth date 24 Jul 1823
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 31 Aug 1823
Place Kelvedon
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
County Essex


First name(s) James
Last name Wiseman
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 02 Sep 1827
Residence Burnham, Essex, England
Place Burnham
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Wiseman
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

Ruth

Ruth Report 18 Oct 2017 16:59

Thank you so much for your help today, I can now alter my family tree with confidence that it is correct info I am putting on there. I so appreciate the help you have all given me especially as I had spent 2 days trying to find out about Rhoda Potter and not Rhoda Wiseman :-)

Kense

Kense Report 19 Oct 2017 15:52

I have had a look at the image for the 18/10/1832 marriage and can confirm that Royce was a mistranscription. The vicar has spelt the surname as Proyer so that the P and r together look like R, and the 'er' at the end can be seen as 'ce'.

That also applies to the witness Amelia Prior.

Edit. I should have added that the bride, groom and witnesses did not sign, they just marked, the names having been written in by the vicar.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Oct 2017 16:20

(nice one Ken, had a feeling you would have a check, lol)

Chris :)