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Have got details of marriage and death of Charles Jose and both detail his
birth as 1826 in Essex but I cannot get any details to verify this..
I need this so I can send for his birth certificate and proceed further.
Any help gratefully received.
Charles Jose -- marriage 1847 in London.
death 1901 in Shoreditch, london

Welcome to the boards, Marion.

For reference:


Charles Jose
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Charles Jose
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Dagenham
Hundred: Becontree
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 323
Book: 7
Folio: 22
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Jose 14



Charles Jose
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Charles Jose
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Jose
Gender: Male
Where born: Chadwell, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Romford
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Town: Romford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 1772
Folio: 95
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Jose 25
Eliza Jose 25
Charles Jose 2



Charles Jose
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Charles Jose
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Jose
Gender: Male
Where born: Dagenham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: St Luke
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 202
Folio: 19
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Jose 35
Eliza Jose 35
Charles Jose 12
William Jose 8



And so on -

1871 says born Chadwell.
1891 says Ilford

In 1841 census, there are other people in the household, who are not transcribed on Ancestry. They're transcribed individually, but not as a household.:

Francis Glenny, 25
Sarah Glenny, 30
Fanny Jose, 12
Sarah Glenny, 3
Harriet Glenny, 2

Also Esther Ray, 15, servant.

So Charles's mother seems to have married a second time, to Francis.

In 1851, the mother's name has changed to Mary Ann:


Sarah Glenny
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Sarah Glenny
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Francis Glenny
Mother's name: Mary Ann Glenny
Gender: Female
Where born: Dagenham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Dagenham
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 1772
Folio: 231
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Glenny 40 - Barking, Essex
Mary Ann Glenny 46 - Spitalfields, Middlesex
Sarah Glenny 13
Mary Ann Glenny 7
Francis Glenny 6
Harriett Farguharson 41 - governess
Mary Ann Mayers 23 - servant



Second marriage for Francis?:

Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%)
GLENNY Francis Romford 12 433
Winmill Mary Ann Romford 12 433


First wife's death (Charles 1826's mother) ??:

GLENNY, SARAH 39
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in THE ROMFORD UNION Volume 12 Page 139

I can't see the births or baptisms of any of the children listed in 1841, so far.

You wouldn't be able to get a birth certificate, anyway, for c1826. The best you can hope for is a parish record.

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Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Lucy Fanny
Last name Jose
Birth year 1828
Birth date ? ? 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 04 May 1828
Place Dagenham
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Source St.Peter St.Paul Dagenham 1800-1842 baptisms
Record set Thames & Medway Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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Thames & Medway Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Phillip Charges
Last name Jose
Birth year 1826
Birth date ? ? 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 19 Mar 1826
Place Dagenham
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Source St.Peter St.Paul Dagenham 1800-1842 baptisms
Record set Thames & Medway Baptisms
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Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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charges could be charles

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London, Docklands and East End marriages, 1558-1859 Transcription

First name(s) Charles
Last name Jose
Marital status Bachelor
Residence Of This Parish
Marriage year 1819
Marriage date 22 Aug 1819
Signed Signed
Parish St Mary, Bow
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Lines
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence Of This Parish
Spouse signed Signed
Banns or licence Banns
Witness's first name(s) James
Witness's last name Shell
Witness 2 first name(s) Philip
Witness 2 last name Jose
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set London, Docklands And East End Marriages, 1558-1859
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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Fanny Lucy Jose
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name Fanny Lucy Jose
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1847
Registration District Romford
County Essex
Event Place Romford, Essex, England
Volume 12
Page 453
Line Number 27

Fanny Lucy Jose probably married one of the following people
Name William Meredith Phillips
Name Samuel Pritlove xxxx


Name James Cressey
Name William Green

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chadwell Heath, Barking, Romford, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Pritlove Head Married Male 25 1826 Journeyman Wheelwright Barking, Essex, England
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Fanny L Pritlove Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Dagenham, Essex, England
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Samuel Pritlove Son - Male 2 1849 - Barking, Essex, England
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John Clark Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Journeyman Wheelwright Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex, England

Well done with Charles and Fanny's births, safc!

And the 1819 marriage could well be their parents, Nyx.

PRITLOVE, SAMUEL JOSE Order
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in THE ROMFORD UNION Volume 12 Page 194

?a baptism.


Charles Josey
England Births and Christenings
Name Charles Josey
Gender Male
Christening Date 28 Dec 1828
Christening Date (Original) 28 DEC 1828
Christening Place SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 31 Oct 1828
Father's Name William Josey
Mother's Name Sarah

Note that on Charles' snr's marriage to Sarah one of the witnesses was Philip, so this may be him..the name Lucy appears to be a family name


First name(s) Lucy
Last name Jose
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1788
Baptism date 05 Mar 1788
Place Romford
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Philip
Father's last name Jose
Mother's first name(s) Jemima
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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If relating in...

Chris :)

County Essex
Place Leyton
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 99
Marriage date 22 Dec 1835
Groom forename Francis
Groom surname GLENNY
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish Leyton
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname JOSE
Bride condition widow
Bride parish Leyton
Witness Charles LINES
Witness Mary LINES
Register note Banns

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(possible for witnesses)

Church name St Peter and St Paul
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 222
Marriage date 11 Aug 1833
Groom forename Charles
Groom surname LINES
Groom condition bachelor
Groom parish This parish
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname COTTIS
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish This parish
Witness George LINES
Witness Benjn HOLGATE
Register note Banns

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Philip
Last name Jose
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1759
Baptism date 07 Oct 1759
Place Romford
County Essex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Jose
Mother's first name(s) Susan
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
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Birth dates given in the margins of the parish registers are:

Philip Charles 15th February 1826.

Lucy Fanny 13th April 1828.

A big THANK YOU to all who helped me with Charles Jose.
I believe the family came from Cornwall and originally from Portugal. Any leads on this?
Marion

There are certainly some Jose names in Cornwall, so worth trying to follow them back

for instance ( from FMP)

Cornwall Marriages Transcription

First name(s) PHILIP
Last name JOSE
Birth year -
Marriage year 1714
Marriage date 10 Oct 1714
Parish South Petherwin
Place SOUTH PETHERWIN
Groom's first name(s) Philip
Groom's last name JOSE
Bride's first name(s) Ann
Bride's last name DOUBT
Bride's last name (bishop's transcript) DOUTT
County Cornwall
Country England
Record set Cornwall Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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much earlier

Cornwall Marriages Transcription
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First name(s) ALICE
Last name JOSE
Birth year -
Marriage year 1568
Marriage date 24 Oct 1568
Parish Wendron
Place WENDRON
Groom's first name(s) John Carne
Groom's last name BONE [CARNEBONE] ?
Bride's first name(s) Alice
Bride's last name JOSE
County Cornwall
Country England
Record set Cornwall Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

From Google

"In England, Jose is originally a Romano-Celtic surname, and people with this family name can usually be found in, or traced to, the English county of Cornwall, where it was especially frequent during the fourteenth century; this surname is pronounced /'d?o?z/, as in the English names Joseph or Josephine."

Have you seen the messages here?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.jose/7.24.30/mb.ashx