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Hi Nyx - I came across those two above when I was searching round and did wonder about them. As for William Taylor - I have checked on the 1911 census and they were living Drybrook and the place of birth was listed as DRYBROOK and as William himself supposedly filled this in, it should be correct. Also on 1911 he has put his age down as 30 which of course could mean later in 1880 or early in 1881. I am seeing my friend tis evening but I don't think she will be of any help as William was her Grandfather and he died just weeks after she was born so she has no memory of him at all. You are eight though, the best way is to get Laura's marrage cert and have a look on there to see who was William's father. I am not sure unfortunately that my friend will want to pay out for a certificate - I can but suggest it !! Thanks for replying and all your help.

I think that you'd need some marriage certs to find out who Albert's father is, and same for William Taylor, there are several of the same birth date and the Taylors may be unrelated, or related further back eg cousins rather than siblings?

Hi Margaret,

I have had another look and the Albert Taylor on 1939 with Sarah J has been mistranscribed as to date of birth which I am fairly certain is 2 Nov' 1893 not 1896. If that's correct he 'might' be this one in 1901 and 1911.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ruardean Hill, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England
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Henry Taylor Head Married Male 37 1864 Ross, Herefordshire, England Coal Hewer Below Ground
Belinda Taylor Wife Married Female 37 1864 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England -
George Taylor Son Single Male 16 1885 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Belt Boy Below Ground
Richard Taylor Son Single Male 13 1888 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England -
Alice Taylor Daughter - Female 11 1890 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England -
Hubert Taylor Son - Male 9 1892 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England -
Albert Taylor Son - Male 7 1894 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England - <<<<<<<<<
Fred Taylor Son - Male 5 1896 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England - Transcription
Florence Taylor Daughter - Female 3 1898 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Steam Mill Cinderford, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

John Henry Taylor Head Married Male 46 1865 Folley Ross Herefordshire Stationery Engine Driver At Brickworks Transcription
Belinda Taylor Wife Married Female 47 1864 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook - Transcription
George Taylor Son Single Male 26 1885 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook Stationery Engine Driver Underground
Hubert Taylor Son Single Male 19 1892 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook Coal Miner Hewer
Albert Taylor Son Single Male 17 1894 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook Coal Filler Underground <<<<<<<<
Fredrick Taylor Son Single Male 15 1896 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook Coal Shifter Underground
Floria Taylor Daughter Single Female 13 1898 Glostershire Ruardean Hill Drybrook School
Minnie Taylor Daughter Single Female 8 1903 Glostershire Belson Grace Cinderford School
Rosey Taylor Daughter Single Female 4 1907 Glostershire the Steam Mill Cinderford School

Hi Nyx - I think I may well have either made a mistake or got myself all mixed up because I cannot locate the Albert Taylor mentioned on 1939 list anywhere. He, according to what it says on there, was born 1896 but no indication of where. William Taylor - Laura's husband - was born abt 1880 Harry Hill (now called Harrow Hill)which is roughly the area we are concentrating on. However that would be a 16 years gap and I cannot locate the two together anywhere. I have searched and searched blindly not having a birth location. There are however more Albert Taylors than you would imagine born in the area Harry Hill, East Dean, Longhope etc. than you would imagine. Is it possible that the Albert Taylor married to Sarah is NOT in fact William's brother but is the brother of Florence Kathleen M Taylor. What do you think.? There appears to be an awful lot of different Taylors in the area ! I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

Hi Nyx - well I have spent a few few hours today trying to unravel this and positively connect William Taylor(Laura's husband) with Albert Taylor (who Sarah Waite married) as brothers but I have been unable to. I think I shall give up pretty soon. Thank you for all your input.

TAYLOR, FLORENCE KATHLEEN MAY HONE Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 298

also known as Kathleen on 1939 and listed as Cathleen here ( sister Ethel maud mmn Hone for confirmation)
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Plumphill Near Mitcheldean, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England



Henry Taylor Head Married Male 45 1866 Lea Herefordshire Collier Hewer Underground
Agnes Taylor Wife Married Female 45 1866 Churcham Glos -
William Taylor Son Single Male 21 1890 Long Hope Glos Collier Hewer Underground
Ethel Maud Taylor Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Plump East Dean Glos -
Cathleen Taylor Daughter - Female 9 1902 Plump East Dean Glos School
Oscar Brain Boarder Single Male 20 1891 Plump East Dean Glos Collier Horse Driver Underground

That's good Margaret, what was Thomas' occupation on Sarah Jane's marriage?

Not that this helps but you mention Beatrice m Hodkinson being a witness on marriage cert

She married Hubert/Herbert Cale Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%) note the names of the other couple on page

Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)

Cale Hubert G Hodkiinson Westbury S. 6a 491
Hodkinson Beatrice M Cale Westbury S. 6a 491
Taylor Florence K M Waite Westbury S. 6a 491
Waite Albert Taylor Westbury S. 6a 491

Cale Household (4 People)
Faxis Plump Road , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England


Herbert G Cale 18 Aug 1901 Male Turner & Fitter Engineer Married 33 1
Beatrice M Cale 27 May 1892 Female Household Unpaid Married 33 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
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Hi Nyx - thanks for your information. I have been spending ages trying to sort this all out and have discovered that the Albert Taylor that Sarah Jane Waite (then King) married after her first husband Arthur died was in fact the brother of William Taylor (Laura Jane King's husband) !!! I have alsd discovered that Sarah Jane Waite's father was Thomas Waite (I think Thomas Robert Waite) and that the witnesses to her wedding to Arthur King were Charles Thomas Waite (her brother? her uncle?) and a Beatrice May Hodkinson. With this information I tried to find both the Waite family and Taylor families on census returns to try and tie the Taylors together. No success I'm afraid. I have tried all the individual people but cannot tie them all up together as yet. I shall keep trying !

Name: Laura Jane King
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Longhope, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Longhope
Father: Henry King
Mother: Lucy King

A possible for Laura's husband's death:-

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name TAYLOR
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1881
Age 55
Death quarter 1
Death year 1936
District Westbury on Severn
County Gloucestershire
Volume 6A
Page 404
Country England

Kth. x

Births from the GRO

KING, LAURA JANE mothers maiden name WILLIAMS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 243

KING, ARTHUR CHARLES HAROLD mmn WILLIAMS Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 272

date of birth matches the Laura J 1939 reg' posted by Kathleen

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 T
First name(s) LAURA JANE
Last name TAYLOR
Gender Female
Birth day 20
Birth month 1
Birth year 1884
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1981
District Forest of Dean
County Gloucestershire
Volume 22
Page 1823
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Arthur C H King ( first husband of Sarah J Waite) seems to be Laura's brother

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brook Cottage, Furnace Mill Road, Longhope, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England



Henry King Head Married Male 37 1854 Gloucestershire, England General Laborer
Lucy King Wife Married Female 37 1854 Gloucestershire, England -
Mary King Daughter - Female 11 1880 Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Sidney King Son - Male 10 1881 Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Laura King Daughter - Female 7 1884 Gloucestershire, England Scholar <<<<<
Elizabeth King Daughter - Female 4 1887 Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Evan King Son - Male 2 1889 Gloucestershire, England -
Arthur King Son - Male 0 1891 Gloucestershire, England -

hmmm

The Sarah J Taylor on that 1939, was Sarah J Waite who it appears married to King?

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)

King Arthur C H Waite Westbury S 6a 559 view
Waite Sarah J King Westbury S. 6a 559

Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)

King Sarah J Taylor Westbury S. 6a 570
Taylor Albert King Westbury S. 6a 570

So Wilfred George is with his aunt? by marriage??

Nyx - I am so so grateful to you for all your efforts solving this puzzle for us. My friend will be delighted. She is in her early 80's and this has been a puzzle for years. Her grandmother (Laura Jane had been a bit of a mystery for years. Thank you again very much indeed.

Wilfred born 1924 doesn't appear to have died before 1991 ? so won't show on the 1939 reg unfortunately EDIT yes he did


First name(s) WILFRED GEORGE
Last name TAYLOR
Gender Male
Birth day 30
Birth month 3
Birth year 1924
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1977
District Gloucester
County Gloucestershire
Volume 22
Page 1589
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Taylor Household (6 People)
3 Hawkwell Row , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England

Wilfred G Taylor 30 Mar 1924 Male Farm Labourer Single 272 4
Albert ? Taylor 02 Nov 1896 Male Colliery Engine Winder Married 272 1
Sarah J Taylor 06 Jul 1896 Female Household Duties Married 272 2
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Ronald Taylor 24 Jul 1927 Male At School Single 272 5
Charles Waite 21 Dec 1862 Male Old Age Pensioner Widowed 272 6

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

King Laura Westbury S. 6a 559
TAYLOR William Westbury S. 6a 559

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Taylor Wilfred G King Westbury S. 6a 471

This is the only Laura J. Taylor that I can see in Gloucestershire (she is a widow):-

Bullock Household (2 People)
Upper Redlands , East Dean R.D., Gloucestershire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Laura J Taylor 20 Jan 1884 Female Housekeeper Widowed 59 2
George Bullock 03 Mar 1863 Male Wood Turner (Or Machinist) Widowed 59 1

Kath. x

For ref

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Harry Hill Drybrook Gloucestershire, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Taylor Head Married Male 30 1881 Drybrook Glos Coal Miner Hewe
Laura Jane Taylor Wife Married Female 27 1884 Longhope Glos -
Phoebe Laura Taylor Daughter - Female 10 1901 Drybrook Glos -
Eva Agnes Taylor Daughter - Female 6 1905 Drybrook Glos -
Alice Ivy Taylor Daughter - Female 5 1906 Drybrook Glos -

Could this be Laura's birth:-

First name(s) LAURA
Last name CARPENTER
Birth year 1899
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 689
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

This could be a birth in December 1898 and registered in the 1st quarter of 1899.

Kath. x