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A 1945 b.cert doesn't explicitly give the child's surname. It usually gives the child's forename(s(, but that is not required - all that is required is that the birth be rego'ed -e.g.,

Births Sep 1945 (>99%)
Brown Male Brown Southend 4a 1103

The child's surname is usually that of one of theparents' - so there can be a choice when the parents are unmarried and both are named, as happens here - Jaci omitted the following index entry:

Births Dec 1945 (>99%)
Pugh Frank W Pugh Rochford 4a 1078

If the parents subsequently marry, there might be an ammendment to the b.cert, adding the mother's new surname to the b.cert

One shouldn't confuse the number of entries in an index with the number of objects to which they point.

There is a possible remarriage for Evelyn? If she remarried in maiden name.

Likely death for Edwin C H Edmans in 2000.

yes so that's why he did not marry again till much later

I have dads first marriage to Evelyn Bisgrove

Marriages Mar 1940 (>99%)
Bisgrove Evelyn R Pickett Edmonton 3a 3123
Pickett Horace F Bisgrove Edmonton 3a 3123

1939
Pickett Household (6 People)
130 Rivulet Road , Wood Green M.B., Middlesex, England

Horace F Pickett 30 Apr 1920 Male Clerk Single 233 3
William Pickett 19 Jul 1884 Male Builders General Labourer Married 233 1
Edith Pickett 22 Apr 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 233 2
Ronald Pickett 24 Nov 1921 Male Stevedores Clerk Single 233 4
Petro V Claviio 11 Aug 1910 Female Waiter Married 233 5
Wilfred Pickett 17 Dec 1909 Male Plasterer Married 233 6

did your dad marry in 1940 his 1st marraige

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION

Pugh Household (4 People)
11 Chapel Street , Darlington R.D., Durham, England

Constance M Edmans (Pugh) 04 Aug 1921 Female Provision Merchants Clerk Single 209 3
Sydney G Pugh 29 Jul 1894 Male Road Transport Secretary Married 209 1
Ivy W Pugh 05 Sep 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties - 209 2
Millicent F Lynas (Pugh) 29 Mar 1920 Female Clerks Accounting Borough Operator Single 209 4

Marriages Dec 1944 (>99%)

EDMANS Edwin C H Pugh Essex S.W. 4a 386
PUGH Constance M Edmans Essex S.W. 4a 386

my fathers birth was April 1920

they did marry in 1974

he was apparently marries before 1940 approx to a Bisgrove

my mother apparently married to a Edmans

jaci

my fathers birth was April 1920

they did marry in 1974

he was apparently marries before 1940 approx to a Bisgrove

my mother apparently married to a Edmans

jaci

your parents married 1974 was horace f married in 1940

his birth

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)

Pickett
Horace F
Smith
Edmonton
3a
1145

will you remove your brothers full date of birth he is still alive

I will remove it

no thats not her marriage
it was in 1984 to horace frank pickett

jaci

I also recently found out that my mother was married to someone else (not my father) at the time would this make a difference
Jaci

My mothers maiden name was Pugh

Jaci

Was your mother's maiden name Pickett or Pugh?

As ErikaH has said, the second entry would normally be because the birth was registered in mother's maiden name and then re-registered if the parents married after the birth, but in your brother's case this doesn't seem to fit.

Where you have no. 2 version it does not say see 546, but see S 46 (September 46).

There might be more than one entry but he will only have one birth certificate, no matter which record you were to use to order it.

Kath. x

Births Sep 1946
Pickett Frank W. Pickett Rochford 4a 995 billg
The above transcription represents what is in the GRO index but it is referred to by the following entry
Births 1945 Dec: Pickett,Frank W,Pugh,Rochford,4a,see S46
which implies that this is a late entry, that is an entry that has been registered in a quarter later than the event. See here for more information on late entries.

Usually, the second entry in these situations is indicative of the child having been born out of wedlock, and the parents marrying afterwards and re-registering the birth, but this doesn't fit that pattern.

Copying directly from freebmd - for info


Births Dec 1945 (>99%)
Pickett Frank W Pugh Rochford 4a 1078 Scan available - click to view
Pickett Frank W Pugh Rochford 4a see S46 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1946 (>99%)
Pickett Frank W Pickett Rochford 4a 995

Click on the 'info' tab next to the entries for more details

When searching my tree i found that my brother had 3 Birth Certificates which I donot understand why
Details are
Frank William Pickett
b 3/11/1945 Canvey Island Essex
Birth Records
1. Volume 4A Page 1078 Line 55
Mother Maiden Name Pugh
1945 Rochford District

2. Volume 4A Page See 546 Line 56
Mother Maiden Name Pugh
1945 Rochford District

3. Volume 45 Page 995 Line 21
Mother Maiden Name Pickett
1946 Rochford District

Any information would be appreciated
regards Jaci