George Welfare b1819c Godstone

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Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 20:14
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Just looking into my ancestor. In 1861 census occupation is flyman In 1871 census occupation is coachman servant Would flyman be to do with a carriage? Is there any way I could find out who he worked for? Thank you
Member Since: August 2007 Posts: 10,049 Send Message	safc	Report	27 Apr 2018 20:21
	Fly Coachman / Flyman Fly Proprietor/Master 1) Drove a "fly" a one horse two wheeled light carriage 2) Flyman also a term for a theatre stage hand 3) A Fly Proprietor/Master employed fly drivers for hire and usually owned the flys. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html
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Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 20:35
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Thank you for that link. Very helpful Is there a way I could find out who he worked for?
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 20:54
	he is not with his wife in 1881 census she is a widow
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 20:59
	says in 1871 census esther is a widow ly Tree Genealogies Catalog Books Wiki Esther Wellfare England and Wales Census, 1871 Name: Esther Wellfare Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Event Place: Wandsworth, All Saints, London, Surrey, England Enumeration District: 13 Gender: Female Age: 52 Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: Parish Relief Relationship to Head of Household: Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1819 Birthplace: Spalding, Lincolnshire Entry Number: 2 Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/0711/0052 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Esther Wellfare Head Female 52 Spalding, Lincolnshire Charles Wellfare Son Male 19 Wandsworth, Surrey Emily Wellfare Granddaughter Female 8 Wandsworth, Surrey
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 21:02
	is this his death Deaths Mar 1870 (>99%) Welfare George 50 Wandsworth 1d 423 you say he is in the 1871 census
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 21:10
	their marraige George Welfare England Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: George Welfare Spouse's Name: Esther Cross Event Date: 13 May 1855 Event Place: Croydon, Surrey, England
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 21:14
	this could be his first marriage George Welfare England, Surrey Parish Registers, 1536-1992 Name: George Welfare Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Jan 1843 Event Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England, United Kingdom Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Thomas Welfare Spouse's Name: Caroline Somerset Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Father's Name: John Somerset
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 21:34
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Apologies should be 1851 and 1861
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 21:35
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Yes that is him. Any idea how I can find out who he was a coachman for?
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 22:01
	where did you find the 1851 census i dont see it
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	27 Apr 2018 22:08
	i found it now so he was married twice to caroline and then to esther
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 22:50
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Yes that is correct
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	27 Apr 2018 23:23
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Would like to know if I can find out who he was a coachman to?...i doubt I can find out. Any ideas how would be very much appreciated Thankyou
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	28 Apr 2018 03:51
	TBH ................... I doubt that you will be able to find out! A flyman seems to have usually driven carriages that were for hire................. rather like taxis today. Coachman Servant could imply that he was a servant for someone, but I went back 2 pages in that census, and he doesn't seem to be living in the mews belonging to a "big" house. So impossible to tell who he worked for.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Elizabeth	Report	28 Apr 2018 09:03
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 605 Send Message	Thankyou for looking

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