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I have just seen all the children for Eliz Martine and William a couple of dates I had wrong but I have a John b 27/1 1707 which is my Ancester


Thank you for your help joyce m :-)

Thank you all for the replies was a great help

More related threads:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1364383

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363996

Having already contributed at length to the other threads, and having already pointed out that we can't know for sure which person married which, because of the lack of detailed info on parish records, I'm not getting into this again.

However, this is the William you mean, Joyce? He would be the 17th, then, not the 15th:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Macdowall

"James Macdowall and William Macdowall were the sixteenth and seventeenth Lairds respectively.[3] During the seventeenth century, they were members of Parliament for Wigtownshire.[3] William and his wife, Grizel Beaton, had fourteen children. Their grandson, James Macdowall, became Lord Provost of Glasgow.[3]"



Following on from what RG said -

just because he was laird of Garthland, doesn't necessarily mean he was born there, or even lived there. There were absentee landlords in those days just as much as nowadays.

There's no record of his birth on SP. Old Parish Records are pretty patchy when you get that far back.

Thank you Alviegal. Had I known of the previous threads, I wouldn't have looked twice at this lol.

Joysie4, I think it is a mistake only to research the male side especially when researching Scottish ancestors as the Scottish naming pattern can be a great help when searching for children of a marriage. Prior to statutory registration in Scotland, which began in 1855, it is very difficult to identify your ancestors. I have been researching my Scottish ancestors for 40 years and even with an unusual surname cannot identify with any certainty my ancestors prior to the mid 1750s. Sometimes we just have to accept facts and in the interest of having an accurate tree ignore the guesswork.

In your case, your William married in Edinburgh. In the interest of other researchers, can you tell us please what records show that he was born in Wigtownshire? There were no census records around at that time showing birthplace. Even if his marriage entry gave his abode as a parish in Wigtownshire that wouldn't necessarily mean he was born there. Which of his children are you descended from please? All his children and probably most of his grandchildren would have died prior to statutory registration so how can you be sure of the accuracy of your tree?

William Macdowall 1645 & Grizel Beaton b 1650 m 1669

children Marrages Deaths please

Alex 1670 Edinburgh Midlothion Scotland
James 1671
John 1676
Col William 1678
James 1682
Hugh 1683
David 1685
Andrew 1686
Uchtred 1690

Thought this sounded familiar.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370612

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1362400?page=0

also related

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353628?d=asc&page=0

I still don't understand. You ask for marriages and deaths for the children and then when you are given a possible you say you already have it :-S :-S :-S

Sometimes you have to accept that there just are no records to be found from that period of time that would point definitely to a person being the person you are looking for.

Thank I have the marriage and deaths of the parents I need to know the childrens shall I name them

??????

MCDOUAL
PATRITIA
PATRICK MCDOUAL/ELIZABETH MARTIN FR4610 (FR4610)
F
14/12/1723
685/1
170 148
Edinburgh

MCDOUALL
CHARLES
PATRICK MCDOUALL/ELIZABETH MARTIN FR4168 (FR4168)
M
21/09/1709
685/1
150 61
Edinburgh

MCDOUELL
BETTE
PATRICK MCDOUELL/ELISABETH MARTIN FR4082 (FR4082)
F
27/08/1706
685/1
140 290
Edinburgh

MCDOUELL
ISOBELL
PATRICK MCDOUELL/ELIZABETH MERTIN FR4463 (FR4463)
F
29/08/1718
685/1
160 278
Edinburgh

MCDOUELL
JEAN
PATRICK MCDOUELL/ELIZABETH MERTIN FR4302 (FR4302)
F
04/09/1713
685/1
150 327
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
ISOBELL
PATRICK MCDOWALL/ELIZABETH MARTINE FR4462 (FR4462)
F
29/08/1718
685/1
160 277
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
ALEXANDER
PATRICK MCDOWALL/ELIZABETH MARTINE FR4381 (FR4381)
M
04/08/1715
685/1
160 115
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
ROBERT
PATRICK MCDOWALL/ELIZOBETH MARTIN FR4016 (FR4016)
M
06/07/1704
685/1
140 191
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
ELIZOBETH
PATRICK MCDOWALL/ELIZOBETH MARTINE FR3958 (FR3958)
F
08/01/1702
685/1
140 74
Edinburgh

?????
MCDOWALL
PATRICK
ELIZABETH MARTINE/FR1344 (FR1344)
20/03/1701
685/1
450 93
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
PATRICK
ELIZABETH FERGUSON/FR1673 (FR1673)
15/12/1734
685/1
470 131
Edinburgh

For ref.


Surname Forename Parents/ Other Details Gender Date Parish Number Ref Parish Image View
MCDOWALL
ALEXANDER
WILLIAM MCDOWALL/GRISSELL BETHON FR2013 (FR2013)
M
11/02/1670
685/1
70 92
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
JAMES
WILLIAM MCDOWALL/GRISSELL BETHON FR2076 (FR2076)
M
28/07/1671
685/1
70 216
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
PATRIK
WILLIAM MCDOWALL/GRISSELL BETHUN FR2195 (FR2195)
M
24/06/1674
685/1
70 453
Edinburgh

MCDOWALL
MAJORIE
WILLIAM MCDOWALL/GRISSELL BEATON FR2155 (FR2155)
F
07/06/1673
685/1
70 372
Edinburgh



Any marriages would probably be guesswork as OPRs rarely give parents' names for marriages.

I am trying to trace William MacDowall 15th Garthland b 1645 Wigtownshire Scotland and Grizel Beatons Childrens Marrages and Deaths b in Edinburgh if anyone can help me please