Genealogy Chat

Maddie.
Thank you that post explains everything. I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread and helped to solve my initial query.
Kath.
Because you found William's parents I have now been able to find 5 of Williams siblings. I am learning more and more each day but I'll probably be back with another problem soon :-D x

Thank you all

Kind regards

Dave x

the 1841 census explaination

1841 was the first time that the head of each household was given a form to fill in on behalf of everyone in the dwelling on a set day. This system still forms the basis of the method used today.

Of course, illiteracy was high in 1841, and anyone unable to read or write would have made use of an enumerator - a literate person who would be collecting the census forms - to help fill in the details. Because of this, however, you may note mistakes that were made, such as name spellings. It should also be noted that many people were often economical with the truth when it came to their ages.

Note: In the 1841 Census there was also a policy of rounding down ages was in place. As such, people aged:

15-19 were recorded as 15
20-24 were recorded as 20
25-29 were recorded as 25
30-34 were recorded as 30

gro births show named registered in

free site just register
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
:-)

Thank you Maddie.
My last post was the wrong way round, should have read....1841 with 8 children and 1861 with 3 children. Are they the same family? Why is Ann's, William's and Elizabeth's birth year different in the two census? and which one's are correct?

Also the names you have posted with the GRO references, are they showing that person's middle names? i.e. Joseph Carton, Cuthbert Mills, Annie Isabella, Alfred Mills and Elizabeth Miles.
Sorry if I am a pain but I am learning slowly.
Dave x

1881
Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

15, Tweddle Street, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Cuthbert Huntley Head Married Male 53 1828 Pavier Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Annie Huntley Wife Married Female 49 1832 - Whickham, Durham, England
Cuthbert Huntley Son Single Male 17 1864 General Labourer Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Joseph Huntley Son Single Male 15 1866 General Labourer Hartlepool, Durham, England
Annie Huntley Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Hartlepool, Durham, England

HUNTLEY, JOSEPH CARTON HOWEY Order
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 63
HUNTLEY, CUTHBERT MILLS HOWEY Order
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 66
HUNTLEY, ANNIE ISABELLA HOWEY Order
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 208

1841
William Huntley Male 40 1801 Northumberland, England
Ann Huntley Female 35 1806 Northumberland, England
John Huntley Male 20 1821 Northumberland, England
William Huntley Male 15 1826 Northumberland, England
Cuthbert Huntley Male 13 1828 Northumberland, England
Ann Huntley Female 10 1831 Northumberland, England
Jane Huntley Female 10 1831 Northumberland, England
Isabella Huntley Female 5 1836 Northumberland, England
Hannah Huntley Female 5 1836 Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Huntley Female 5 1836 Northumberland, England

John Huntley
Residence Place Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 23 Sep 1821
Christening Date (Original) 23 Sep 1821
Christening Place St. Andrew's, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name William Huntley
Mother's Name Anne

Cuthbert
Last name Huntley
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 25 Dec 1827
Residence Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Place Newcastle on Tyne
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Huntley
Mother's first name(s) Anne
Mother's last name Huntley
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

1861
William Huntley Head Married Male 60 1801 Journeyman Pavior Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Ann Huntley Wife Married Female 59 1802 Wife Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
William Huntley Son Unmarried Male 37 1824 Paviour Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Huntley Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Alfred E Huntley Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Wheelwright & Volunteer Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England



HUNTLEY, ALFRED MILLS Order
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 352

HUNTLEY, ELIZABETH MILES Order
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in SEVENOAKS UNION Volume 05 Page 395

Kath.
Thank you I will now add "Earsdon William" to my tree and thanks to you I can now add his parents and their wedding date.

I have read that the informant is normally the spouse or a close family member, perhaps there is a link yet to be discovered or maybe Amelia was a good friend to the family but odd that she lived some 10 miles from South Shields.

Would you mind taking a look at just one more anomaly that I have found in the same family line?
Williams daughter Ann married Cuthbert Huntley, his parents were William Huntley 1801 and Ann Mills 1806. Now this is were I'm having a problem. The 1841 census shows them with 3 children and states that Ann was born 1806 however the 1861 census shows them with 8 children but states that Ann was born in 1802, also 2 of their original children (William and Elizabeth) are showing as having a different birth year. Am I confusing two family's? if not, which one in your opinion is Ann's correct year of birth. I can find no record of the family in 1851.
Thanks again. Dave x

Well, if it was my family, I would be happy enough to accept that "Earsdon William" was "my William"

Good luck with the rest of your research.

EDIT - I wonder if this is the same Amelia Sharp in the 1841 census. She is the only one I can find anywhere near to Westoe:-

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Heworth Shore, Jarrow, Gateshead, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

Richard Sharp Male 35 1806 Durham, England
Amelia Sharp Female 32 1809 Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<<
Margaret Sharp Female 12 1829 Durham, England
Sarah Sharp Female 11 1830 Durham, England
Mary Sharp Female 5 1836 Durham, England
Jane Sharp Female 4 1837 Durham, England
Abraham Sharp Male 1 1840 Durham, England

Kath. x.

The 1838 death certificate has arrived today, it shows that William died at Lower Thames Street, Township of Westoe. It gives his occupation as keelman or wheelman? It gives his age as 42 years but unfortunately it does not give his place of birth, also the informant was not a family member (Amelia Sharp of Shadwell Street)

Because the address where he died is the same as where his wife Sarah was still living 3 years later I'm happy that this is "my" William.
Because he was 42 years old when he died he must have been born in 1796, as "Earsdon William" was the only one born in that year can I now say with confidence that I have found the correct person?

Again any help or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.

I still have relatives living in North Shields.

Indeed, yes, of course, when compared with Haltwhistle.

The ferry has been in place for a long time. I used to regard using it as a treat when I was a child.

North and South Shields are on opposite sides of the Tyne but are still much closer to each other than to Haltwhistle.

I had relatives from North Shields and the family often moved back and forth between the two towns over the river.

Kath. x

Can I just point out that North and South Shields are in different counties, and on opposite sides of the River Tyne.

I think the death certificate will help as it will hopefully give a relative as the informant and you will be able to match this up with a relative from the 1841 census.

I think you are right about the Earsdon William being the most likely.

Kath. x

Hello again.
Thank you for all the information offered it's taken me a while to digest it all. I am waiting for a reply from the Records office about the 1838 death certificate (thank you SAFC) to see if there is anymore info on it that might help. The Whickham William Howie did marry a Sarah but as far as I can see only had one child (Jane 1822) so I think I can rule him out as my William had six children. William was 42 when he died according to the year of the death certificate 1838 so that rules out Haltwhistle William who would only have been 36yrs old at that time. I think my William has to be Earsdon William as he is the right age and in the right place. I will let you know what I can find out on the death certificate. Thanks again everyone for you help. Dave

Kath.
My apologies Ann was a typo. William married Sarah Harper at All Saints. I don't know the area so assumed it was the same church.

Do we now think that "my" William is the Earsdon William?
What records do I now need to apply for?

Thank you
Dave

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original docucument there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Northumberland
Place Newcastle upon Tyne
Church name All Saints
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Register entry number 783
Marriage date 25 Apr 1821
Groom forename William
Groom surname HOWEY
Groom parish otp
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname HARPER
Bride parish otp
Witness1 forename Jonan.
Witness1 surname SCOTT
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname THOMPSON
Notes Banns
Transcribed by Stephen Andrews
Credit Stephen Andrews
File line number 425

sarah says she is of this parish
but she is from gateshead

whickham is next to gateshead

may be sarah was living in newcastle

Sorry David, but I think we are all getting confused. I thought "your" William married Sarah, not Ann and you said they married at All Saints, Newcastle, NOT All Saints Rothbury, which is completely different. There is an All Saints Church in very many towns in the country.

Since the death of William in 1838 was in South Shields which is where widow Sarah was living and South Shields is next to North Shields (where Earsdon is) the Earsdon birth is much more likely. Rothbury is much further north.

Kath. x

Wow, thank you all for your help.
I have just noticed on the Baptism records that Kath posted that there is also a William HOWEY Baptism 11 Jun 1797 Northumberland Rothbury : All Saints
I know that "my" William married Ann in "All Saints"(I assume All Saints is a church)
Has this William been mentioned?, he would be "of this Parish".
Apologies if I'm not up to speed with what's been concluded so far but as a complete amateur this is all a bit confusing for me.
Regards
Dave.

if the wickham william is correct

George Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
18 May 1811
christening:
23 June 1811
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

John Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
19 July 1800
christening:
16 November 1800
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Isabella Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
17 March 1805
christening:
30 June 1805
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Ann Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
5 February 1808
christening:
17 April 1808
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

James Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
5 September 1814
christening:
17 February 1815
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

William Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
22 May 1796
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann

Elizabeth Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
21 October 1802
christening:
10 April 1803
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Sarah Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
17 December 1797
christening:
15 April 1798
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

????


William Howie
England Births and Christenings
Name William Howie
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 May 1796
Christening Date (Original) 22 MAY 1796
Christening Place WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Howie
Mother's Name Ann

This is his baptism giving parent's names:-

First name(s) William
Last name Howey
Gender Male
Birth year 1796
Birth place -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 04 Jun 1796
Place Earsdon by North Shields
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Howey
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name Bewick
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

and parent's marriage:-

First name(s) Robert
Last name Howey
Name note -
Marriage year 1795
Marriage date 29 Nov 1795
Marriage place Earsdon by North Shields
Spouse's first name(s) Catharine
Spouse's last name Bewick
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Kath. x