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Hi Gang,

I had a great Grand father John Steele ,Born 1845 in Leslie, Fife, who was a Black Smith all his life. While I know that his father worked in a mill in Leslie Fife in the early 1840s as My Great grand father was born there and his brother James also. In looking for information on James (the brother ) and John the father I came across a psosible grand father to John and James. And he was a Black smith. I wonderedat that time if the smithing ran in the family. My other question is there list of Black Smiths in Scotland including the late 1700s and the early 1800s. Maybe a guild of Smiths or some other listings???

Here's a link to a list being compiled by volunteers.



http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/

It was common practice for sons to follow fathers in their trades

In 1851 John and James were lodgers on Parish Relief

Margaret Moddie Head Widow Female 42 1809 Washing & Sewing Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland
James Steele Lodger - Male 8 1843 Scholar Re P Relief Leslie, Fife, Scotland
John Steele Lodger - Male 6 1845 Scholar Re P Relief Leslie, Fife, Scotland

I thought this sounded familiar.
Just for interest - some of Jack's threads about the Steele family:

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356203
https://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1129930
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352138
https://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1313835

Thanks AG - I must have been asleep!

There are a lot of threads by this poster concerning this line (some of these are listed above)

https://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1372998

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356203

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352138

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1347651

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1222008

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1216293

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1074147

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1129930

It's important to bear in mind that no proof of paternal parentage appears to have been found. (Unless I've missed it in the multitude of threads)

The 'info' about the 'father' is from a son's marriage cert, when both parents were said to be 'deceased'

On one of the threads, the mother's name is given as Isobella Douglas There is no marriage for a woman of that name (or variant thereof) to anyone named Steele on SP

Wasn't it only in 1855 that civil registration began in Scotland, so there would be no registered marriage to be found.

Feel free to contradict me if I'm wrong :-)

Kath. x

SP has 'old' Church registers - which is where I looked ;-)

PM received from Jack

Have asked him to post all feedback on the thread

Is it merely coincidence that two people named Moodie are in the same household John Steele? (Particularly the male)

1881
Name: John Steele
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Steele
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverkeithing, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil Parish: Eastwood
Town: Pollokshaws
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 99 Main Street
Occupation: General Blacksmith
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 173
LINE: 9
Roll: cssct1881_163
Household Members:
Name Age
John Steele 36
Margaret Steele 26
Catherine Steele 4
John Steele 2
William Steele 6 Mos
James Green 22
Hector Green 16
William Moodie 18 Boarder, born Inverkeithing
Elizabeth Moodie 25 Servant, born, Galston, Ayrshire

The Greens are brothers-in-law to John

HI all. I tried to connect William Moodie to Mrs. Moodie in Inverkeithing quite some time ago and could not find a connection. and there was a large time span between Mrs Moodie in her 40s in 1851 and William Moodie 18 years of age in 1871.

And yes Hector and James Green are John Steele's brother in laws.

And it was unfortunate that the wife Margaret Green died a few years later of TB, and her daughter dies early of lung complications in a sanatorium, and her oldes son died at 7 years of age of peritonitis, and her younges child died at just a few months of age .

But this does not get me closer to discovering who were the parents of John Steele the Black Smith who was born in 1845.
Again, thank you for your interest.

Cheers,

Jack Steele
Ontario, Canada

William Moodie's census info is for 1881

His baptism shows his mother to be Elizabeth Moodie - no father named