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Hello, could some kind soul look at the marriage of;

John Pope & Eliza Smith
at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster
27th March 1842

and tell me the Father's name and occupation (bride & groom)

For some reason the record on Ancestry has left out those important details.

Thanking you in advance.

S

John
Last name Pope
Age Full
Residence -
Marriage year 1842
Parish St Martin-In-The-Fields
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse age Full
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Smith
County Middlesex
Country England

Batchelor & Spinster of full age
John Smith, Brewers Servant of Bedfordbenny?
Groom's father's details left blank. They had written John then crossed it out.
Bride of 5 Taylor Buildings, father John Smith, Carman
Witnesses Richard Mattey & Jane Mattey

Correction - Bride was a minor. Sorry!

Not seeing the image on FMP only the GRO index.

Ancestry doesn't have the image - that's why they couldn't transcibe the info

Many thanks everyone.
I don't think I've ever come across the groom's father being left blank. If they didn't know their fathers name they usually made one up.

It wouldn't be fun if it were easy!

Your family isn't like most others, then lol!


I've got loads of marriages with no father's name

1861 ?????

in the 1861 England Census

Name: John Pope
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Pope --- lambeth surrey
Gender: Male
Where born: Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 349
Folio: 155
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pope 40 --- brewers drayman
Eliza Pope 37
Eliza Pope 13
Martha Pope 12
Elizabeth Pope 10
Tryphena Pope 7
George Pope 4
Alice Pope 2
Ellen Pope 6/12
Jane C Brittone 26
Eliza Bardle 24

POPE, TRYPHENA SMITH
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 247

1851
Name: John Pope
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Pope
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoberton, Wiltshire, England - halberton or hilperton ??
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Waterloo St John
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 27
Piece: 1570
Folio: 239
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pope 29
Eliza Pope 27
Eliza Pope 8
Sarah Pope 8
Martha Pope 2


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
1 October 1820
PRESHUTE, WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND
father:
John Pope
mother:
Hannah


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
18 June 1820
FYFIELD BY MARLBOROUGH, WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND
mother:
Mary Pope

Thanks, I have all that.
Of the 2 Christenings, my money is on the 2nd one now I know there was no father.

a more detailed version
John Willis
Last name Pope
Birth year -
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 18 Jun 1820
Residence Lockeridge
Place Fyfield
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Pope
Mother's occupation Labourer
Record type Parish Registers