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John and Mary married on 1 March 1848, and had children - all in Templemore - Mary - 1850, Elizabeth - 1851, Ellen - 1852, Michael - 1854, Agnes Mary - 1859 and John (Jr) - 1861. Family migrated to London in 1860s and most siblings were involved as shop assistants. I have found most of the England records, but not much in the Ireland records, albeit there is a John Bergin in Polygon Lane - Griffiths Valuation. I also have some baptism records for some of the children (rescued from pretty dreadful handwriting in church records).

At wits' end - can anybody HELP????

What exactly are you looking for please

Just for ref for ages

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
ALL SAINTS ROAD, KENSINGTON, London & Middlesex, England

JOHN BERGIN HEAD - Male 54 1817 - Ireland
MARY BERGIN WIFE - Female 38 1833 - Ireland
ELIZABETH BERGIN DAUGHTER - Female 22 1849 - Ireland
MARY BERGIN DAUGHTER - Female 20 1851 - Ireland
AGNES BERGIN DAUGHTER - Female 12 1859 - Ireland
MICHAEL BERGIN SON - Male 16 1855 - Ireland
JOHN BERGIN SON - Male 9 1862 - Ireland

Karate are you sure of Mary's surname? On the images I am looking at and transcription, for Ellen and Elizabeth, it is very clearly Kennally, I would say Michael was the same, though it is less clear


First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Bergin
Birth year -
Baptism year 1852
Baptism date 27 Jul 1852
Residence Jail Street
Parish Templemore
Alternative parish names Clonmore, Killea, Kilvenoge, Kilvenogue, Templemore and Killea, Templemore, Killea and Clonmore
Diocese Cashel and Emly
County Tipperary
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bergin
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Kennally
Repository
National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland register
Register Baptism
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Ireland

First name(s) John
Last name Bergin
Address -
Marriage year 1837
Marriage date 31 Jan 1837
Parish Templemore
Alternative parish names Clonmore, Killea, Kilvenoge, Kilvenogue, Templemore and Killea, Templemore, Killea and Clonmore
Diocese Cashel and Emly
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Kenally
Spouse's address Knockenroe
County Tipperary
Country Ireland
Repository
National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland register
Register Marriage
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Ireland

The only marriage I can see for 1848 is this one, spouse Mary Mara is reasonably clear on image if you zoom in https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632698#page/143/mode/1up

First name(s) John
Last name Bergin
Address -
Marriage year 1848
Marriage date 05 Oct 1848
Parish Templemore
Alternative parish names Clonmore, Killea, Kilvenoge, Kilvenogue, Templemore and Killea, Templemore, Killea and Clonmore
Diocese Cashel and Emly
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Mara
Spouse's address -
County Tipperary
Country Ireland
Repository
National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland register
Register Marriage
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Ireland

This marriage?:

First name(s) John
Last name Bergin
Marriage date 01 Mar 1848
Parish Roscrea
Diocese Killaloe
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Kirwan
Spouse's address -
County Offaly (King's), Tipperary, Laois (Queen's)
Country Ireland
National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634778#page/1/mode/1up

possible baptism of Michael? Image is unclear for mother's surname:

First name(s) Michael Augustin
Last name Bergin
Birth year -
Baptism year 1854
Baptism date 11 Aug 1854
Residence Main Street
Parish Templemore
Diocese Cashel and Emly
County Tipperary
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bergin
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Rownan
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and another child?

First name(s) Gertrude Mary
Last name Bergin
Birth year -
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 13 Sep 1857
Parish Templemore
Diocese Cashel and Emly
County Tipperary
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bergin
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Kerwan
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There must have been another/ earlier John Bergin/ Mary Kerwan/ Kirwan marriage as there is also these children:

name(s) Eliza Bergin
Baptism date 06 Dec 1844
Parish Shinrone
Diocese Killaloe
County Offaly (King's), Tipperary
Father's name(s) John Bergin
Mother's name(s) Mary Kirwan

name(s) Patrick Bergin
Birth date 04 Aug 1851
Baptism date 05 Aug 1851
Parish Shinrone
Diocese Killaloe
County Offaly (King's), Tipperary
Father's name(s) John Bergin
Mother's name(s) Mary Kirwan

name(s) Ellen Bergin
Baptism date 02 Oct 1842
Parish Shinrone
Diocese Killaloe
County Offaly (King's), Tipperary
Father's name(s) John Bergin
Mother's name(s) Mary Kierwan

Is the Mary wife on the 1871 census a second marriage? she is a lot younger than John

There are quite few references to a John Bergin shopkeeper of Templemore in the Tipperary Petty Sessions Court Registers between 1853- 1869.

Freeman's Journal - Friday 20 June 1851
FIRING AT AND WOUNDING A Boy.-On the night of the 10th inst., a boy named Connors having failed to enter the premises of Mr. John Bergin, shopkeeper, Templemore, he attempted to scale the wall of the yard, with intent to rob, when he was observed by the owner, who fired at and severely wounded him with small shot, causing a fracture of the skull and other injuries. Connors on receiving the injurey absconded, and was not heard of for -a f~e~w days until he applied for medical relief. The case having been investigated, informations were returned to the quarter sessions of Nenagh against Mr. Bergin.-