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Jennifer
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26 Jul 2020 22:04 |
Am having real trouble locating my Grandfather on the 1911 census.
He was born in September 1903 and I can see records of him in Births, Deaths and Marriages but nowhere else. I think he had a brother called Frank (Francis) maybe but nothing for him either.
Any advice please on where I go from here. The only thing I can see is I buy a copy of his birth certificate and try searching for his parents names.
Thanks
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greyghost
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26 Jul 2020 22:45 |
Welcome to the boards Jennifer.
Please give his full name, the birth records reference and ANY other information you have about him that might help us to look for him. Where did he live, what are his death registration references, who/where did he marry etc. all might help us to help you.
Do you know his actual DOB?
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Jennifer
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27 Jul 2020 00:50 |
Thank you for replying.
His full name is John Henry Dowden. He was born at 3 Norfolk terrace, Shepherds Bush. Although that has since been renamed. He was born 3rd September 1903. He married Gladys May Tobutt (13/05/1900) on 6/6/1925 and they lived at 5 Providence Place, since named Shepherds Bush place. He passed away in Hammersmith Hospital 11/11/1980
I'm afraid I don't have any references other than what is shown here on this site.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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27 Jul 2020 06:29 |
Use the GRO site to check the birth reg which will show mmn
Soooo
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DOWDEN, JOHN HENRY LONG GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 254
Then use freebmd with the surnames for marriage
Marriages Jun 1903 Dowden John Fulham 1a 528 Long Emma Fulham 1a 528
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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27 Jul 2020 06:38 |
Looks like he wasn’t with the family in 1911
1911 Census For England & Wales 44 Holyport Road Fulham, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Dowden Head Married Male 37 1874 Contractor Carman Not Known Emma Dowden Wife - Female 29 1882 - Tewsley Middx Lily Dowden Daughter - Female 5 1906 School London Fulham Alfred Dowden Son - Male 2 1909 - London Fulham Frank Dowden Son - Male 0 1911 - -
Married 8 years 4 children born .all still living
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DOWDEN, ALFRED JAMES WILLIAM LONG GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 247 DOWDEN, FRANK LONG GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 240 Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DOWDEN, LILY ROSE LONG GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 254
John Henry doesn’t appear to be listed anywhere.maybe he was visiting somewhere but not listed
That’s his family though
Edit ahh his 1911 record had wrong age .!
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jul 2020 09:42 |
Here he is in 1911 with his grandmother and step-grandfather:
John Dowden in the 1911 England Census Name: John Dowden Age in 1911: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1905 Relation to Head: Grand Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Yiewsley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: No 7 Wooden Row, Starvhall, Yiewsley, Middx Occupation: School Registration district: Uxbridge Registration District Number: 127 Sub-registration district: Hillingdon ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Piece: 6764 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Payne 47 Sarah Payne 52 Henry Payne 18 Joseph Payne 16 Walter Payne 13 Ellen Payne 11 John Dowden 6 George Millers 29 - boarder
His mother Emma in 1901, with her mother and stepfather:
Emma Long in the 1901 England Census Name: Emma Long [Emma Payne] Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Frederick Payne Mother: Sarah A Payne Birth Place: Yiewsley, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Yiewsley Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Uxbridge Sub-registration district: Hillingdon ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Piece: 1176 Folio: 160 Page Number: 30 Household schedule number: 162 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Payne 37 Sarah A Payne 42 Frederick W Payne 10 Henry J Payne 8 Joseph E Payne 6 Walter C Payne 3 Ellen R Payne 1 Emma Long 19 - daughter, single George J Boot 2 - grandson [ age 2 months on image ] George Miller 20 - boarder
Sarah and Frederick's marriage (Sarah's second marriage):
Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%) LONG Sarah Ann Uxbridge 3a 66 Payne Frederick Uxbridge 3a 66
Sarah's first marriage:
Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%) Long James Uxbridge 3a 51 Perryman Sarah Uxbridge 3a 51
Possibly James Long's death ??
Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%) LONG James George 32 Uxbridge 3a 13
Emma's birth:
LONG, EMMA mms PERRYMAN GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 21
PAINE, HENRY JOHN mms PERRYMAN GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 26
PAYNE, JOSEPH EDWARD mms PERRYMAN GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 26
P AYNE, WALTER CHARLES mms PERRYMAN GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 32
PAYNE, ELLEN ROSE mms PERRYMAN GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 31
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jul 2020 10:09 |
The grandson George Boot from 1901 census:
BOOT, GEORGE JAMES RUSHBROOK mms LONG GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 36
His parents' marriage:
Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%) Boot Harry Joseph Uxbridge 3a 79 LONG Eliza Uxbridge 3a 79
Henry Joseph Boot in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Henry Joseph Boot, feltmonger [Harry Joseph Boot] Gender: Male Marriage Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1878 Marriage Date: 1 Aug 1897 Marriage Place: Yiewsley, Hillingdon, England Father: George Boot Spouse: Eliza Long Register Type: Parish Register
Eliza's burial:
Eliza Boot in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003 Name: Eliza Boot Age: 21 Record Type: Burial Birth Date: abt 1879 Death Date: abt 1900 Burial Date: 17 Mar 1900 [ mistranscribed - 1901 on image ] Burial Place: Uxbridge Moor, Hillingdon, England Register Type: Parish Register
BOOT, ELIZA 21 GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in UXBRIDGE Volume 03A Page 21
His father's second marriage:
Harry Joseph Boot in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Harry Joseph Boot, feltmonger Gender: Male Marriage Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1880 Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1910 Marriage Place: Uxbridge Moor, Hillingdon, England Father: George Boot Spouse: Jane Eliza Dean Register Type: Parish Register
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2020 13:13 |
Do you have the 1939 Register entry for him?
John Dowden's life in 1939 5 Shepherd's Bush Place, Shepherds Bush, Hammersmith And Fulham, Hammersmith, London, England
(2 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number John Dowden 03 Sep 1903 Male Attendant Sports Gorund Married 109 1 Gladys Dowden 13 May 1900 Female Ladies Room Attenda Married 109 2 Ref: RG101/0218B/010/9 Letter Code: AJBY © Findmypast Ltd Where they lived
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2020 13:15 |
and his parents and (some) siblings
The National Archives logo John H Dowden's life in 1939 55 William Morris House, Barons Court, Hammersmith And Fulham, Fulham, London, England And his parents and siblings Dowden household (5 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number John H Dowden 10 Mar 1875 Male Groundsman Married 157 1 Emma Dowden 09 Dec 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 157 2 The record for this person is officially closed. Florence (M) Wakley (Dowden) 12 May 1923 Female Tobacco Passer Single 157 4 Frank Dowden 25 Mar 1911 Male ??? Married 157 5
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Maddie
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27 Jul 2020 14:58 |
FRANK Last name DOWDEN Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1931 Registration month - Beatrice M Brrown Fulham
child born 1936
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jul 2020 17:21 |
Beatrice's death:
Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) DOWDEN BEATRICE M 57 POOLE 7C 68
Second marriage:
Frank Dowden in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Frank Dowden Registration Date: Oct 1968 [Nov 1968] [Dec 1968] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Poole Inferred County: Dorset Spouse: Jessie K Sutton Volume Number: 7c Page Number: 207
Jessie's death in 2008:
DOWDEN, JESSIE KATHLEEN YOB: 1920 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2008 in Poole (4311A) Reg 1A006 Entry Number 501383086
Frank Dowden in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Frank Dowden Death Age: 75 Birth Date: 22 Mar 1911 Registration Date: Jun 1986 Registration district: Poole Inferred County: Dorset Volume: 23 Page: 865
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Jennifer
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31 Jan 2021 02:43 |
Thank you so much everyone for the time you have spent and the information you have provided. This will help me lots. Thanks again
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