Genealogy Chat

Hi ArgyllGran,
I never take anything for granted without proof, to many possibles.
Catharine McLaren, I had the name and the birth date and location came from a 3rd cousin in Scotland.
We only found each other this year 2021
John Fraser husband only have name.
Catherine's father Duncan yes a spirit dealer, from cousin.
b 30 May 1763 Killin, Perthshire, Scotland
married Isobell McGregor on the 17 May 1788 Killin, formerly Perthshire, Scotland
Jemima Beck Martin Fraser 27 Dec 1890-26 Sep 1975
Walter Muirhead Fraser 15 May 1858-14 May 1929
Margaret Stronach Kennedy09 Aug 1861-10 Jul 1947
Neil Fraser 29 Oct 1817-09 Feb 1880
Elizabeth Muirhead 1815-04 Apr 1894
John Fraser no data married 24 Aug 1814
Catharine McLaren 17 Oct 1789
I'll try and find what I saw on Pat & Janet, I was just browsing around, before going to work.

Craig

Are you sure that the Catherine who married John Fraser (chair master) is the one born in Kenmore?

The marriage record doesn't, of course, name her mother, but says that her father Duncan was a spirit dealer in Edinburgh.

SP has records of 5 Catherine McLarens baptised between 1770 and 1789, with fathers named Duncan - all are in Perthshire. But there may also have been others in other places whose baptism records haven't survived.


From 1815 onwards, it's fine - all proved by records.
Your grandmother was born in Edinburgh in 1890, daughter of Walter Fraser, bookbinder, and Margaret Kennedy. They were married in Edinburgh in 1884.

Walter born Edinburgh c1859, son of Neill Fraser and Eliza Muirhead.
Neill born c1817 in Edinburgh, son of John Fraser and Catherine Mclaren.

Re "seen the family" -
I hope you're not going by anything on someone else's tree, without finding documentary proof for yourself.

For example:
a number of trees on Ancestry have a Patrick McLaren, born 1690 in Killin, and said to be the father of a Duncan McLaren born 1752 in Kenmore.
That Duncan is on 137 trees, in spite of the fact that no such birth is shown on SP.

Some of the trees go so far as to claim that the father Patrick, born in Killin, had two families in Connecticut (including, strangely, daughters with the surname Bissell) , returned to Killin in time to die there in 1731 - and then somehow managed to father Duncan in 1752.

found the births n familysearch its a free site there are a lot of births for a duncan on there

https://www.familysearch.org/en/

As I said, there are several possible births in Killin alone - in fact, 10 between 1745 and 1772.
And others in other places in Perthshire.

Three of those in Killin have a father named Pat or Patrick.
Two have a mother named Kat. or Katharine.

You say you've "seen the family" of the one in 1750 with father Pat. and mother Janet
Where have you found that, please?

Hi, thanks for that, what a great looking dog.
I have seen the family of the first one no daughter called Catherine, 2nd one I'll check at this stage the last one looks good as you say same loc as marriage.

Craig

this could be duncan killin is where he married

Duncan McLaren
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:
Duncan McLaren
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
30 May 1763
Event Place:
Killin, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Killin, Perth, Scotland
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Donald McLaren
Mother's Name:
Kat.

another birth with father name patrick

Duncan McLaren
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Name:
Duncan McLaren
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
18 Dec 1757
Event Place:
Balquhidder, Perthshire, Scotland
Event Place (Original):
Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Patrick McLaren
Mother's Name:
Mary McDonald

could be duncan he did name a son patrick he's father is pat

Duncan McLaren
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:
Duncan McLaren
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
16 Jun 1750
Event Place:
Killin, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Killin, Perth, Scotland
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Pat. McLaren
Mother's Name:
Janet

That was quick, thanks for that I'll take your advice and have a look at the site.
Thanks a lot
Craig

The daughter's birth:

MCLAREN
CATHARINE
DUNCAN MCLAREN/ISOBAL MCGREGOR
F
17/10/1789
360/
30 167
Kenmore



Possible birth of a son:

MCLAREN
PATRICK
DUNCAN MCLAREN/ISABELL MCGRIGOR
M
13/02/1789
361/
20 230
Killin

The marriage:

MCLAREN
DUNCAN
ISABELL MCGREGOR/
17/05/1788
361/
10 279
Killin


If you register with Scotlands People website, and buy credits, you can view the image of the original parish record.

Such old records seldom give the names of parents - but you may be lucky.

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk


If the marriage record doesn't name his father - and I don't expect it to - you're highly unlikely to find out any more about him.
There were several Duncan McLarens born in Killin, as well as in other places in Perthshire (assuming he belonged to Perthshire) in a reasonable time-frame.

Hi All
I am trying to find a Duncan McLaren who married a Isobel McGregor and had Catherine McLaren b.1789 Kenmore, Perthshire, Scotland, Catherine married John Fraser on the 24 Aug 1814 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
Fraser is my grandmothers last name, Jemima Beck Martin Fraser.

Thanks in advance
Craig