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Mandy
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21 Feb 2021 20:57 |
On searching for marriage details of a relative it states that she could possibly be married to either one of two men. I cannot seem to find any details of her actual spouse, so how do I know which one to add and follow their line? Thank you :-S
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ErikaH
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21 Feb 2021 21:32 |
Look for possible children.
If the marriage was before 1911, use the GRO site
If after, use freebmd
Or tell us the details and someone will find the info for you
BUT.........you should be working backwards, to do FH properly
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ArgyllGran
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21 Feb 2021 21:48 |
If the marriage was early enough, see if you can find her with one of the possible husbands in a later census - or in the 1939 Register if the marriage was between 1911 and 1939.
Or look for children, as Erikah says. Hopefully at least one of the couple has an unusual enough surname to be obvious.
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KathleenBell
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22 Feb 2021 00:13 |
Although it makes family history research expensive, I wouldn't be adding people to your tree without getting certificates to confirm you are following the right line.
You can order a certificate using just one of the couple's names.
As ErikaH says, you should be working backwards from yourself - so you should find the children first and then their parents.
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Kense
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22 Feb 2021 17:01 |
Working backwards is essential for direct ancestors but if you are interested in finding cousins then working forwards may be necessary.
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SylviaInCanada
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24 Feb 2021 03:07 |
Go to freebmd
Search for your ancestor
You should see something like this Smith John Barnsley 9c 187
The numbers refer to the volume and page where the record is to be found in the GRO Register.
Click on the last number, and you should see something like this
SLATER Sarah Barnsley 9c 187 Scan available - click to view Smith John Barnsley 9c 187 Scan available - click to view
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2021 10:40 |
Unfortunately, that doesn't answer the poster's question about which of two possible spouses she should attach to the woman she is researching
She has obviously found a record, but needs to know how to proceed further
For example - on FMP First name(s) Rachel Last name Harvey Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1867 Registration month - MarriageFinder ™ Rachel Harvey married one of these people William Sparrow, John Pye
and freebmd Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%) HARVEY Rachel Rochford 4a 351 KETCHER Hannah Rochford 4a 351 Pye John Rochford 4a 351 SPARROW William Rochford 4a 351
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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2021 10:58 |
We really need to see the record you're talking about to be able to advise properly.
Sometimes a name doesn't show up on a FreeBMD record bedause the district, volume, or page has been mistranscribed - or the name has been missed because of human error when transcribing the GRO Index.
For example:
Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) ISHERWOOD Catherine Blackburn 8e 459 JOHNSON Margaret Elizabeth Blackburn 8e 459 LORD Thomas Blackburn 8e 459
Clearly one of the men has been missed from this record, and at first glance we don't know who Thomas Lord married.
However, from Ancestry, I can see that Catherine's husband is the one missed:
Catherine Isherwood in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Catherine Isherwood Gender: Female Age: 20 Birth Year: abt 1861 Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 23 Jul 1881 Parish: Blackburn, Christ Church, Lancashire, England Spouse: James Baron Spouse Age: 23 Father: Henry Isherwood Spouse Father: William Baron Register Type: Parish Register
And checking the 1891 census, we see that Margaret Elizabeth is the wife of Thomas Lord:
Margaret E Lord in the 1891 England Census Name: Margaret E Lord Gender: Female Age: 34 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1857 Spouse: Thomas Lord Child: James Lord Ellen Lord Jane Lord Birth Place: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Blackburn Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Residence Place: Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England Registration District: Blackburn Sub registration district: Blackburn Southern ED, Institution or Vessel: 39 Neighbors: Piece: 3408 Folio: 29 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Lord 28 Margaret E Lord 34 James Lord 9 Ellen Lord 4 Jane Lord 2
Going back to FreeBMD, and looking for James Baron in 3rd qr 1881 - two men of that name show up:
Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) Baron James Blackburn 8e 495 Baron James Blackburn 8e 530
Looking at the images of the Index for both Catherine and James, the page numbers have been transcribed exactly as on the Index, so presumably either the 459 or the 495 is wrong on the Index.
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ArgyllGran
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24 Feb 2021 11:03 |
ErikaH's example of the marriage fo Rachel Harvey can also be resolved by some further research:
Rachel Haney in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935 Name: Rachel Haney [Rachel Harvey] Gender: Female Marriage Age: 22 Birth Date: abt 1845 Marriage Place: Paglesham, St Peter, Essex, England Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1867 Father: William Harvey Spouse: John Pye
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mgnv
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25 Feb 2021 18:44 |
Take as an example this hit for Mary Smith Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%) Murtagh Thomas Wirral 8a 557 Neville Mary Wirral 8a 557 Power Edward Wirral 8a 557 Smith Mary Wirral 8a 557
This would be hard to spot thru the census alone, as there are 2 Mary's. One might distinguish the 2 Mary's by age or birth place, or an in-law lining with them. Otherwise, one would need kids to check the mum's maiden surname.
There is one useful site of geographically limited usefulness. https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd In particular, here: http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 to 1860 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference NEVILLE Mary MURTAGH Thomas 1857 Birkenhead, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Wirral BW/5/92 SMITH Mary POWER Edward 1857 Birkenhead, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Wirral BW/5/93
One can buy BMD certs from the local office that now holds the reister as well as the GRO that has a copy of that rego. (One can also buy a m.cert from the actual church if the entry is in the current rego volume.)
As we see above, some local indexes are online. Their local ref usually has 3 parts. A) A code indicating the church, or subdistrict in the case of Bs & Ds. B) A sequential volume number - a B/D volume has 500 entries at 5 per page, and M volum eusually has 500 entries, but the ones carried out to churchs that are not approved to keep official marr rego's are often smaller with 100 or 200 entries. All marr rego's have 2 entries per page. C) An entry or page number. Marrrs nearly always have an entry number, so one knows who wed whom. Sometimes, the hit names the spouse; sometimes there's a "name spouse" button; sometimes one has to look up all the names and match yourself.
Here's an example of that (rearranged in spousal pairs): Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%) Balls Robert Eastry 2a 1197 Murphy Catherine Eastry 2a 1197 --------------- Dawson Abel Eastry 2a 1197 Smith Mary Eastry 2a 1197
https://webapps.kent.gov.uk/KCC.ROIS.Web.Sites.Public/Pages/Default.aspx
Marriage Certificate Details Name BALLS, Robert Year Of Marriage 1856 Entry Number 68 Register D/14/1 Location Kent County Council
Marriage Certificate Details Name DAWSON, Abel Year Of Marriage 1856 Entry Number 67 Register D/14/1 Location Kent County Council
Marriage Certificate Details Name MURPHY, Catherine Year Of Marriage 1856 Entry Number 68 Register D/14/1 Location Kent County Council
Marriage Certificate Details Name SMITH, Mary Year Of Marriage 1856 Entry Number 67 Register D/14/1 Location Kent County Council
There were actually 3 hits for Mary with no mid-name. Above is the one from rego D/14/1
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