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17 Mar 2021 14:35 |
Baptism: 15 Dec 1833 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England Edward Tarbuck Pigot - son of James Pigot & Mary Abode: Sutton Occupation: Collier Baptised by: Chas. Geo. Thom. Driffield Register: Baptisms 1828 - 1835, Page 233, Entry 1861 Source: LDS Film 1657583
John Last name Pigot Birth quarter 1 Birth year 1839 Mother's maiden name - District Prescot County Lancashire
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Maddie
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17 Mar 2021 14:23 |
father 1851 Name: James Pigot Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Relation: Father-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Eccleston Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Prescot Sub-registration District: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 104 Piece: 2195 Folio: 122 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age John Fairclough 31 Mary Fairclough 40 ------------------ pigot / anders William Pegot 20 James Fairclough 5 Mary Fairclough 4 Ellen Fairclough 1 James Pigot 65 Edward Pigot 16 John Pigot 12 Adam Eddleston 32 Eliza Eddleston 30 Adam Eddleston 6 William Eddleston 4 Mary Eddleston 3 Ellen Eddleston 1 Catherine Potter 46
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 19:03 |
No, it’s relating to the BAPTISM record
I'm FULLY aware of how census info is compiled
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nameslessone
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15 Mar 2021 18:56 |
Erika there would be a difference of 10 years between two census. I understood the query as to why in one census he was 21 and 10 years later he was 32.
I’ve recently had a birthday so the maths works out. If I was a few months younger the maths can look a bit off.
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15 Mar 2021 17:24 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Part of Parr Street or Pipe Makers Row, Prescot, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Mary Cartwright Female 40 1801 Lancashire, England Edmond Cartwright Male 20 1821 Lancashire, England Thomas Cartwright Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England James Smith Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England Grace Smith Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Elizabeth Smith Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England John Barker Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England Elizabeth Barker Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England Richard Barker Male 13 1828 Lancashire, England Thomas Grundy Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
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15 Mar 2021 17:24 |
Mary Cartwright 1851 with Pennington nieces
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Parr Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Cartwright Head Unmarried Female 54 1797 Lodging House Keeper Parr, Lancashire, England Ann Penington Niece Unmarried Female 18 1833 Laborer Parr, Lancashire, England Jane Penington Niece Unmarried Female 16 1835 Labourer Parr, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Penington Niece - Female 14 1837 House Servant Parr, Lancashire, England James Smith Lodger Married Male 39 1812 Labourer Leeds, Yorkshire, England Grace Smith Lodger Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England John Smith Son - Male 5 1846 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England John Shearlock Lodger Married Male 40 1811 Laborer France Ellen Shearlock Lodger Wife Married Female 44 1807 - France
Is this Elizabeth Pennington the same lass that married William Garbage?
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 17:19 |
The 1854 marriage PR was posted by Maddie - showing full details
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greyghost
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15 Mar 2021 17:17 |
The marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%) Barkley William Prescot 8b 853 Billinge Daniel Prescot 8b 853 Garbage William Prescot 8b 853 <<<<<<<< Pinnington Elizabeth Prescot 8b 853 <<<<<<<< Turton Elizabeth Prescot 8b 853
and confirmation of the mmn for Margaret Garbage on the 1861 census (she'll be a great niece to Mary Cartwright))
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: GARBAGE, MARGARET PINNINGTON GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 462
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2021 17:11 |
??? Age matching 1851 and 1861 censuses ??
William Piggot in the 1841 England Census Name: William Piggot Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Prescot Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Sutton Heath Occupation: View image Registration District: Prescot Sub-registration District: St Helen Neighbors: Piece: 517 Book: 5 Folio: 31 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age William Piggot 11
He seems to be listed as a household on his own - but might be at the same address as Mary Anders, 30, and Joseph Anders, 3. Mary might be his aunt.
Mary Anders in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Mary Anders [Mary Pickett] Gender: Female Age: 37 Birth Date: 1811 Marriage Date: 31 Aug 1848 Marriage Place: St. Thomas, Eccleston (Near Prescot), Lancashire, England Father: James Pickett <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: John Fairclough FHL Film Number: 1849656 Reference ID: 46
Mary Pigot in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Mary Pigot Gender: Female Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 May 1837 Parish: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Spouse: William Anders Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Joseph Anders in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 Name: Joseph Anders Birth Date: 14 Jun 1838 Baptism Date: 22 Jul 1838 Parish: Prescot, St Helens, Lancashire, England Father: William Anders Mother: Mary Anders Register Type: Parish Registers Reference Number: Pr 2923/1/5
Joseph Anders in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name: Joseph Anders Gender: Male Age: 10 Birth Date: 1838 Burial Date: 26 May 1848 Burial Place: St. Helens Church, Prescot Parish, Lancaster County FHL Film Number: 1469036 Reference ID: CN 93
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greyghost
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15 Mar 2021 17:10 |
Are these the 2 census records you refer to - for our info
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Parr Street, Windle, Prescot, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Barbara Bate Head Widow Female 62 1789 Coal Miners Widow St Helens, Lancashire, England Margaret Bate Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Glass Smoother St Helens, Lancashire, England Henry Bate Grand Son - Male 0 1851 - St Helens, Lancashire, England Jane Harrison Visitor - Female 6 1845 - St Helens, Lancashire, England William Garbage Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1830 Coal Miner St Helens, Lancashire, England Thomas Brotherton Lodger Married Male 24 1827 Flint Glass Cutter St Helens, Lancashire, England Jane Brotherton Lodger Married Female 24 1827 - St Helens, Lancashire, England
------------------------- 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 99, Pipe Makers Row, Parr, Prescot, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Cartwright Head Unmarried Female 63 1798 - Parr, Lancashire, England James Smith Brother In Law Widower Male 51 1810 Labourer Colliery Lancashire, England John Smith Nephew - Male 14 1847 Labourer Colliery Parr, Lancashire, England William Garbage Nephew Married Male 32 1829 Coal Miner Lancashire, England Elizabeth Garbage Niece Married Female 23 1838 - Parr, Lancashire, England Margaret Garbage Niece - Female 1 1860 - Parr, Lancashire, England
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 17:09 |
The discrepancy in this case is more than TEN years
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nameslessone
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15 Mar 2021 17:07 |
The census used to be taken on different dates. So it could just be mathematics or even give you a clue as to when his birthday was. Try with this with your own dates. TAke your age away from 2021 - you might just appear be a year out.
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Thomas
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15 Mar 2021 17:06 |
I know Garbet features a few times and its the route i am going down but not having much luck with tracing Jane
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 17:06 |
Deaths Mar 1869 (>99%) Garbage William 39 Prescott 8b 491
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 17:04 |
Posting 1861, as the additional info may prove useful
Name: William Garbage Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: 1829 Relation: Nephew******************************************** Gender: Male Where born: Windle, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Parr Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Prescot Sub-registration District: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 4 Piece: 2752 Folio: 5 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Mary Cartwright 63 b. Parr James Smith 51 Brother in law, b. Windle John Smith 14 Nephew, b. Parr William Garbage 32 Elizabeth Garbage 23 Margaret Garbage 1
William was somewhat older than his wife, even alllowing for possible manipulation of dates
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2021 16:54 |
His age on the census could be wrong
Look at the name of the woman Pigot married in 1825 - or at least the Banns were read
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Thomas
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15 Mar 2021 16:53 |
the problem i have with his baptism record is the date 1817, on both census forms he records his age in 1851as 21 and 1861 as 32, also his name changes to garbage
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Maddie
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15 Mar 2021 16:31 |
for ref William Garbage - (X), Collier, bachelor, Prescot Elizabeth Pinnington - (X), spinster, Prescot Groom's Father: James Pigot, Collier ---------------- Bride's Father: John Pinnington, Collier Witness: Thomas Brotherton; Jane Brotherton, (X) Married by Banns by: S Cavan Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 26, Entry 52 Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2
? Baptism: 16 Mar 1817 St Helen (formerly St Mary), St Helens, Lancashire, England William Pigot - Son of James Pigot & Mary Abode: Sutton Occupation: Collier Baptised by: T. Pigot Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1824 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [110], Entry 876 Source: LDS Film 1469036
Baptism: 14 Feb 1816 St Helen (formerly St Mary), St Helens, Lancashire, England Margaret Pigot - Daughter of James Pigot & Mary Abode: Sutton Occupation: Collier Baptised by: Wm. Myers Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1824 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [80], Entry 634 Source: LDS Film 1469036
Marriage: 16 May 1808 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England James Piggot - (X), Collier, Bachelor, Parr Mary Swift - (X), Spinster, Parr Witness: Thomas Taylor, (X); Catharine Fell, (X) Married by Banns by: William Ellam, Minister Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 140, Entry 839 Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10
Banns: St Mary, Prescot, Lancashire, England James Pigot - Sutton Jane Garbet - Windle Banns Read: 4 Dec 1825, 2nd: 11 Dec 1825, 3rd: 18 Dec 1825 Register: Banns 1813 - 1837, Page 125, Entry 629 Source: LDS Film 1657598
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Thomas
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15 Mar 2021 16:26 |
born 1929/30 can find him on 2 census records1851 and 1861 and a marriage certificate of 1854 but cannot find anything else it list him as being born st helen lancashire but nothing exists on parish records i have found him on one members (sue burrows) family tree ,despite requesting if i can see her family tree i have had no replies i am really trying to find his birth record can anyone help?
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