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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 25 Jan 2017 02:07

Thanks again. It seems to be working now, yesterday it wouldn't do anything when I hit submit.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 19:58

Have you clicked Submit?

That should take you to a screen that says

What would you like to do?

Click on Search the GRO Indexes

Which Index would you like to Search ........ Births Deaths

click on the one you want.



Marriages have not yet been digitised.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 04:43

Hi Sylvia

Sorry to be a pain, but I've just logged in to the GRO but how to I begin an actual search?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 04:34

You're welcome!!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 04:26

Yikes ... 3 husbands and 10 kids, no thanks.

Didn't know about the new GRO Index, I'll definitely give it a go.

I'm trying to fill in gaps - as mentioned above, I've lost all my BMD certificates and of course hadn't entered some of the info on my tree. Now I'm playing catch-up.

Thanks again.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 04:18

The new GRO Index is fantastic ........... they have digitised their records, and show the mmn for children born 1837 to 1915/16

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

You have to sign up, and then log in each time, but it is free

Click on Order Certificates Online and search the GRO historic .......

scroll down to LogIn, and Register as an Individual

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 04:14

children from the new GRO Index ............


BAVIS, CATHERINE DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 655

BAVIS, FRANCIS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 736

BAVIS, MAGGIE DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 805

BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757

BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 735

BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 748

BAVIS, MARY JANE DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in ST HELENS Volume 08B Page 801

BAVIS, FRANCIS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 801

BAVIS, ALBERT DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 796



That's only 9

Plus Jane!!!

ROBERTS, JANE DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 725



Poor Louisa!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 04:12

Sylvia, you are amazing. It definitely looks like them and I suppose Davies and Bavis could look or sound the same. Jane would be my grandmother, Kate would be Catherine, her sister. Interesting that Catherine was born in Ashton-under-Lyne and yes, that birth for Catherine is correct - Louisa's maiden name was Dennett.

Now I'll have to try to find those elusive children!!

Thanks.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 04:05

I THINK this is them, even though the image does seem to be Davies ........... the forenames all fit :-D

what do you think???

1901 Census

Name: Thomas Davies
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Thomas Davies
Mother: Louisa Davies
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Helen
Search Photos: Search for 'St Helen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Parr St Peter
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 40

Piece: 3525
Folio: 111
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 13

Thomas Davies 40 b.ca 1861, St Helens, General Labourer
Louisa Davies 37 b.ca 1864, St Helens
Jane Davies 15 b.ca 1886, S Helens
Kate Davies 10 b.ca 1891, Ashton-under-Lyne
Thomas Davies 1

Address:- 14 Hammond St



???
BAVIS, CATHERINE DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 655

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 04:04

Sorry Sylvia, only just seen your second note. I had no idea there were 10 children, I only knew about two, plus two step-children (Jane and her sister, Catherine). I know they had a son, Frances, who died.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 03:50

Thanks Sylvia. Yes that's them. Thomas died in 1936 and Louisa went on to find a third husband.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 03:44

hmmm

did they have 2 children that they called Thomas, but one died??

oh dear ...... they say 10 children born, 5 died

BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 735

BAVIS, THOMAS DENNETT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 748

died
BAVIS, THOMAS 2
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 586

BAVIS, THOMAS 0
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 535



I'm trying to identify more children so I can search on forenames :-)

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 03:37

so Louisa is still with Thomas in 1911, living back in St Helens

Name: Thomas Bavis
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St Helens
Search Photos: Search for 'St Helens' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 43 Eldon St St Helens Lanc
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Miner (Hewer)
Registration district: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 22779

Thomas Bavis 51
Louisa Bavis 45
Thomas Bavis 11 b.ca 1900, St Helens
Francis Bavis 5
Albert Bavis 4
Eliza Am Cliffe 24


and son Thomas was born St Helens

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Jan 2017 03:34

just to get the information .........

1891 Census

Name: Thos Bavis
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Bavis
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollinwood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 52

Piece: 3307
Folio: 54
Page Number: 15

Thos Bavis 32 Coal Miner
Louisa Bavis 25 b.ca 1866, St Helens
Jane Bavis 2

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Jan 2017 01:45

Not sure if this should be a separate thread or not.

Can anyone help me find Jane Roberts/Bavis mentioned above, in the 1901 census.
Jane was born in 1889, in St. Helens, Lancs., to parents John Price Roberts and Louisa Dennett. Louisa left her husband and went to live with Thomas Bavis and in 1891 census they are living at 5 Hibbert St., Oldham. Jane married Thomas Roberts in 1909 and her marriage certificate says she was living at 185 Boundary Road, St. Helens. I just can't seem to find her or her mother and Thomas Bavis in the 1901 census.

Thanks.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 23 Jan 2017 01:24

I tend to agree with you Sylvia - suppose I'll have to send for that certificate though, to make sure.

Thanks Detective.

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 23 Jan 2017 00:54

The two names on the birth record reflect the mother's maiden name so

Father's surname ROBERTS,
Child's forenames CATHERINE
Mother's maiden name BAVIS

What the parents decided to call themselves after then is an entirely different matter & has no bearing on the birth registration

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Jan 2017 00:53

and we also have to remember the current "glitch" in the new GRO Index ...........

they do not have a means of distinguishing between the child who died at 1 month from the child who died at 1 year

My gut feeling is that the child who died aged 5 (months or year) in 1915 might well be the one.

Why??

well, Thomas was born September quarter 1910, and was on the the 1911 census as aged 10 months.

Thus he would have been older than 1 year in the June quarter 1912.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 23 Jan 2017 00:42

Thanks Sylvia. I was hoping there might be another way but I was grasping at straws!!

From the new GRO index, the first one you list is the Thomas b. 1910 so you're probably right about that. My grandmother was also named Roberts but her mother 're-married' to a Bavis - hence the two names.

Just had a disaster here - moved house a few months ago and lost all my BMD's collected over the years, so that's why I was hoping for another way.

Thanks.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 Jan 2017 00:35

and yes, the only way to be sure that you have the right death is to send for the death certificate.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

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