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So Lorenzo/Henry fathered one daughter named Mabel, passed her on to someone else, and fathered another Mabel with his next 'wife'

1921 Census Of England & Wales
61, Ty-Mawr Road, Llandaff North, Whitchurch, Glamorganshire, Wales

A E Price Head Female 1857 64 Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Mabel Honor Baker Adopted daughter Female 1901 20 Llandaff North, Glamorganshire, Wales Sewing Maid Cardiff Mental Hospital Out Of Work
Queenie E Baker Adopted GrandDaughter Female 1920 1 Glamorganshire, Wales - -

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Baker Queenie E Baker Cardiff 11a 800

BAKER, QUEENIE ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 800

Just mooching around in various records...................and posting what comes up, which does suggest that Lorenzo/Henry was the one who 'married' Margaret Hodgson

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Baker Henry Stephen Cardiff 11a 509
Hodgson Margaret Cardiff 11a 509

BAKER, MABEL HONOR HODGSON
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 306

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Penrhys Road, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Henry Baker Head Married Male 29 1872 Coal hewer Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Margaret Baker Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Windermere, Westmorland, England
Elizabeth Baker Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Mabel Baker Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Llandaff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Name Elizabeth Jane Baker
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 10 May 1900*******************does not match Birth record
Baptism Date 8 Aug 1900
Baptism Place Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father Henry Stephen Baker..................Timberman
Mother Margaret Baker
Address: 9 Tyisa Court, Gelli

CLEVERLY, ELIZABETH JANE HODGSON
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 531

Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Baker Margaret 23 Cardiff 11a 186

A tree on Ancestry has Mabel dying in 1902, BUT NO CERT, and...............................

Name Mabel H Baker
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district Cardiff
Inferred County Glamorganshire
Spouse Herman Lodge
Volume Number 11a
Page number 990

1939 Register
61 Ty-Mawr Road, Cardiff, Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Annie W Price 25 Dec 1857 Female Incapacitated Widowed 290 1
Herman Lodge 24 Sep 1898 Male Plan Coco Labourer Pe Way Married 290 2
Mabel H Lodge 24 Feb 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 290 3
Queenie E Hocking (Lodge) 20 May 1920 Female Domestic Daily Service Single 290 4
Edith A Davies (Lodge) 12 Jul 1924 Female Domestic Daily Service Single 290 5
William Lodge 26 Sep 1926 Male At School Single 290 6
John Lodge 04 Sep 1929 Male At School Single 290 7

Name Mabel Honor Lodge
Death Date 7 Jan 1963
Death Place Llandaff North
Probate Date 6 Mar 1963
Probate Registry Llandaff
Administration to Herman Lodge, retired council worker
Effects £1642 17s

Deaths Mar 1963 (>99%)
LODGE MABEL H 62 CARDIFF 8B 15_

Deaths Jun 1977 (>99%)
LODGE HERMAN 24SE1898 S GLAMORGAN 28 1995


LODGE, HERMAN KAYE
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 284

1921 Census Of England & Wales
40, Lane End, Dalton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
William Wardrop Head Male 1876 45 Scotland Forman Sir Mackalpine Public Works Contractors
Edith Ann Wardrop Wife Female 1874 47 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland House Wife
Herman Lodge Son Male 1898 23 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Brich Labourer Sir R Mackalpie
Jack Lodge Son Male 1900 21 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Brick Layer -Sir R Mackalpie
Hilda Lodge Daughter Female 1903 18 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Stay At Home

Don’t take any notice of so-called ‘information’ unless you can verify it. Use freebmd to look for marriages……..then the GRO site to find possible children of those unions

Both Lorenzo and Eliza had adulterous relationships as I have shown with the documentary evidence found online.

In fact they both went through what were almost certainly bigamous ‘marriages’ and lied consistently. Divorce was virtually unheard-of except for the very wealthy, so they would have done what they felt necessary.

Having said that, the census of 1901 shows Eliza Cleverly and children as well as some people sharing her maiden name Filor, already living with Frederick Dangerfield. Lorenzo not in sight. The 3 children were baptised at the end of 1901 but Lorenza may not have been on the scene as he wasn't in the March 1901 when the census was done. Scandal

My bad. I found it through signing up to ancestory and can see they lived in Catherine Street in November 2001 in Swindon. I think I can disregard anything to do with Margaret Hodgson now

Hi again,

I have someone who has informed me that Lorenza (Henry Baker) Cleverly was also married to a Margaret Hodgson in around 1898. I'm not confident in this information, however. I did find a Henry Baker in the 1901 cencus living in Ystradyfodwg in Pontypridd who was married to a Margaret. This Henry Baker was born in Cirencester too and moved to Cardiff. I've not found any further info on Margaret after this though. No death record, no further cencus records.
I've had difficulty finding some of the records you refer to online. I'm using findmypast.com and have been unsuccessful in finding some of the parish info you gave me in your thread, particularly around Lorenza's baptism and his daughter Amelia's. Where did you find this info please as at the moment, I'm on the assumption he was living a double life. From what I heard about him from the family, this may not be particularly far from the truth. It may be when he said he was a widower on his marriage banns to Evelyn (my greatgrandmother) he was telling the truth and referring to Margaret?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Overton, West Overton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Sarah Cleverly Female 50 1791 Wiltshire, England
Jemima Cleverly Female 20 1821 Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Cleverly Female 23 1818 Wiltshire, England
Mary Cleverly Female 22 1819 Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Male 19 1822 Wiltshire, England
Ellen Cleverly Female 15 1826 Wiltshire, England
Eliza Cleverly Female 12 1829 Wiltshire, England


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lockeridge, West Overton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Head Married Male 28 1823 Ag lab Overton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Cleverly Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Cleverly Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Stephen Cleverly Son - Male 4 1847 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Jane Cleverly Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Mary Cleverly Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Henry Laws Brother in law Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag lab Overton, Wiltshire, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Upcross, South Cerney, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
Henry Chearley Head Married Male 39 1822 Gardener Overton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Chearley Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Overton, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Ann Chearley Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 General servant Fyfield, Wiltshire, England
John Chearley Son - Male 14 1847 Groom Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Louisa Jane Chearley Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Mary Ellen Chearley Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Emily Chearley Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Lockeridge, Wiltshire, England
Alfred Chearley Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England
Selyna Chearley Daughter - Female 2 1859 - South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England

Above is the appalling mess made by the FMP transcriber. I have submitted corrections

Name Stephen Cleverley
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Jul 1847
Baptism Place Fyfield By Marlborough,Wiltshire,England
Father Henry Cleverley
Mother Ann
FHL Film Number 950267

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire, England
Henry Cleverly Head - Male 48 1823 ? Overton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Cleverly Wife - Female 46 1825 - Wiltshire, England
Stephen Cleverly Son - Male 20 1851 Labourer Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Son - Male 8 1863 - South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England

Well done for finding your way back. Ticking the watched thread doesn’t do any more than give you a shorter list to look through. As this is the only thread you have posted on you may as well just pop straight back to it.

Glad you found your way back.

Hope everything falls into place………..

Thanks for the info there Erika. I'm new to the site and only using my mobile so it's been a little difficult. I have now discovered how to get to threads and will review your above info shortly. I've now ticked to say this is now a watched thread.

DOWDING Evelyn SPARKS 1880 Stroud, Minchinhampton 11 433

1881
Name Evelyn Dowding
Relationship to Head Granddaughter
Gender Female
Where born Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Minchinhampton
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Street Address 11 Park Terrace
Registration district Stroud
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 2549
Folio 18
Page number 32
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jane Sparks 63 Head
Joseph Sparks 23 Son
Evelyn Dowding Granddaughter
Lucy J. Wise 11 Boarder

Name Henry Stephen Baker
Gender Male
Marriage Age 54
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date 1868
Marriage Date 24 Apr 1922
Marriage Place Roath St Margaret, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father Stephen Baker, deceased, Soldier
Spouse Evelyn Dowding
Father Edward Dowding
Page number 230
The groom said he was a widower................clearly untrue. I wonder how his wife described herself when she ‘married’ Dangerfield
When Lorenzo was baptiised, his father was a Labourer.

Name Stephen Cleverly
Age 31
Birth Date abt 1849
Burial Date 13 Feb 1880
Burial Place South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire & Gloucestershire, England
Henry Cleverly Head - Male 48 1823 ? Creiton, Wiltshire, England
Ann Cleverly Wife - Female 46 1825 - Wiltshire, England
Stephen Cleverly Son - Male 20 1851 Labourer Wiltshire, England
Henry Cleverly Son - Male 8 1863 - South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England


CLEVERLEY, - LAWS
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in CIRENCESTER UNION Volume 06A Page 340

Name Henry Cleverley
Gender Male
Marriage Age 22
Birth Date abt 1822
Marriage or Bann Date 25 May 1844
Marriage or Bann Place Overton, Wiltshire
Father Thos Cleverley
Spouse Ann Laws
Father Stephen Laws




Name Henry Laws Cleverley
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 9 Feb 1860
Baptism Place South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England
Father Henry Cleverley
Mother Ann Cleverley

Name Henry Laws Cleverley
Age 0
Birth Date abt 1860
Burial Date 12 Feb 1860
Burial Place South Cerney, Gloucestershire, England

RE : 1921 Census Of England & Wales
31, Armstrong Street, Swindon, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England
Frederick W Dangerfield Head Male 1878 43 Swindon, Wiltshire, England House
Decorator

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UK, WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Full Name Dangerfield, Frederick
Alias [Blank]
Birth Date 1877
Discharge Date 15 Jul 1919
Service Number 307710
Address 31 Armstrong Street, Swindon, Wilts
Gender Male
Rank Pte
Regiment Tanks
Service Branch Military (Army)
Household ID [Blank]
Year Range 1914 - 1926
Reference Number 8 MD 15_498183
Document Number 8/MD/No1516
Archive Location London, England
Archive Name Western Front Association
Conflict Period World War I
Served For United Kingdom

Disability- GSW Left Arm

UK, WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Full Name Dangerfield, Frederick
Service Number
307710, 520271

520271 -Royal Engineers
At some point during his service he was with the Royal Engineers. I suspect RE first then Tanks, as Tanks did not appear until 1916.....unless it is a clerical error.

Full Name Dangerfield, Frederick W
Rank Name Private
Service Number 307710
NA Url /details/r/D2076125
NA Years 1914-1920
Regiment Tank Corps
Archive Reference WO 372/5/159556
Conflict Period World War I
Served For United Kingdom

award Victory Medal
award British War Medals

Name Frederick William Dangerfield Cleverly
Death Date 12 Mar 1979
Death Place Swindon
Probate Date 5 Sep 1979
Probate Registry Oxford

Name Percival Ernst Dangerfield
Baptism Date 4 Oct 1905
Baptism Place Swindon, St Mark, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears St Mark
Father Frederick William Dangerfield
Mother Eliza Ann Cleverly

Name Percival Ernest Cleverly
Age 1
Estimated Birth Year abt 1904
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Swindon, Wiltshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1905
Inferred Death Place Wiltshire, United Kingdom
Volume 5a
Page 7

1911 Census For England & Wales
31 Armstrong St Swindon, Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Frederick Dangerfield Head Married Male 33 1878 House painter Wiltshire Swindon
Eliza Dangerfield Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Wiltshire Swindon
Ethel D Dangerfield Daughter - Female 13 1898 - Wiltshire Swindon
Frederick Dangerfield Son - Male 11 1900 - Wiltshire Swindon
Reginald Dangerfield Son - Male 9 1902 - Wiltshire Swindon
Minnie Dangerfield Daughter - Female 8 1903 - -
George Kimble Boarder Married Male 34 1877 Striker blacksmith Wiltshire Swindon
George Kimble Son - Male 11 1900 - Wiltshire Swindon



CLEVERLY, MINNIE DANGERFIELD FILOR
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 16


CLEVERLY, AMELIA ETHEL FILOR
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in HIGHWORTH Volume 05A Page 19
CLEVERLY, FLORENCE MAY MATILDA FILOR
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in HIGHWORTH Volume 05A Page 35
CLEVERLY, FRANCIS REGINALD FILOR
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 26
CLEVERLY, FREDERICK WILLIAM DANGERFIELD FILOR
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 20
CLEVERLY, PERCIVAL ERNEST FILOR
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 25

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, Catherine Street, Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Frederick W Dangerfield Head Single Male 23 1878 Painter Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Eliza A Cleverly Living with above Married Female 24 1877 Charwoman Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Florence M M Cleverly Boarder Single Female 5 1896 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Amelia E Cleverly Boarder Single Female 3 1898 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Fred W D Cleverly Boarder Single Male 1 1900 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England
William A Filor Boarder Single Male 16 1885 Machinist rway engine Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Florence G Filor Boarder Single Female 14 1887 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Lily M Filor Boarder Single Female 12 1889 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England

Deaths Jun 1952 (>99%)
Cleverly Lorenza S H 79 Cardiff 8b 100

Deaths Jun 1952 (>99%)
BAKER Henry S 79 Cardiff 8b 100

IMAGE of death cert on Ancestry

Changed his name because of this, I expect*************************

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
Cleverly Lorenza Stephen H Highworth 5a 61
Filor Eliza Ann Highworth 5a 61


She also re-married........eventually
Name Eliza A Cleverly
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district Swindon
Inferred County Wiltshire
Spouse Frederick W Dangerfield
Volume Number 5a
Page number 80

1921 Census Of England & Wales
31, Armstrong Street, Swindon, Chiseldon, Wiltshire, England
Frederick W Dangerfield Head Male 1878 43 Swindon, Wiltshire, England House Decorator Dymond, Commercial Rd, Swindon
Eliza Dangerfield Wife Female 1876 44 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Home Duties -
Minnie Hinton Daughter Female 1902 18 Swindon, Wiltshire, England - -
Irene Dangerfield Daughter Female 1914 7 Swindon, Wiltshire, England - -
Peggy Dangerfield Daughter Female 1917 4 Swindon, Wiltshire, England - -
Freedia Hinton Granddaughter Female 1920 - Swindon, Wiltshire, England -


Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
CLEVERLY Irene M Filer Swindon 5a 56


Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Hinton Minnie F Dangerfield Swindon 5a 81
HINTON, MINNIE FREEDIA DANGERFIELD
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 81

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Dangerfield Minnie Hinton Swindon 5a 67
Hinton William F Dangerfield Swindon 5a 67

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Hinton Joan V Dangerfield Swindon 5a 43

1921 Census Of England & Wales
38, Milton Street, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales

Henry Stephen Baker Head Male 1867 54 Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England Crown Fuel Works Roath Dock Cardiff Foreman
Evelyn Baker Wife Female 1880 41 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire, England House Duties -
Annie Ruth Baker Daughter Female 1906 15 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Domestic -
Mabel Doris Baker Daughter Female 1907 14 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England School -
Henry Stephen Baker Son Male 1909 12 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England School -
Phyllis Christina Baker Daughter Female 1910 10 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales School -
Violet May Baker Daughter Female 1914 7 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales School -
Charles Earnest Baker Son Male 1913 8 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales School -
Gladys Muriel Baker Daughter Female 1916 4 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales School -
Margaret Baker Daughter Female 1917 3 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Home -
Evelyn Baker Daughter Female 1920 - Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales Home -

Annie Ruth crossed-out on image



BAKER, ANNIE RUTH DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 16
BAKER, LILY MAUD DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 4
BAKER, MABEL DORIS DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 12
BAKER, HARRY STEPHEN DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 169
BAKER, CHARLES ERNEST DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 748
BAKER, PHYLLIS CHRISTINA DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 454
BAKER, VIOLET MAY DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 793
BAKER, GLADYS HETTY MURIEL DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 591
BAKER, KATE DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 698
BAKER, MARGARET DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1918 S Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 683
BAKER, LESLIE RONALD DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 661
BAKER, LYNDEN HERBERT DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1922 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 668
BAKER, EVELYN DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 747
BAKER, DAISY THELMA DOWDING
GRO Reference: 1925 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 642


Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
BAKER Henry S Dowding Cardiff 11a 785
DOWDING Evelyn Baker Cardiff 11a 785

1911 Census For England & Wales
19 Carn St Cathays Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Henry Baker Head Married Male 41 1870 General labour Swindon Wilts
Evelyln Baker Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Milchinhampton Glostershire
Elizabeth Baker Daughter - Female 11 1900 Schooll Pontypridd Glamorgan
Lilly Baker Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Bristol Glostershire
Annie Baker Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Bristol Glostershire
Mabel Baker Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Bristol Glostershire
Henry Baker Son - Male 1 1910 - Bristol Glostershire
Philis Baker Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Cardiff Glamorganshire

Name Amelia Ethel Cleverly
Baptism Date 11 Nov 1901
Baptism Place Swindon, St Mark, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears S. Mark Swindon
Father Lorenzo Stephen Cleverly
Mother Eliza Ann Cleverly