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Good morning I was was wondering if someone
would kindly look this up for me
Lilly Rosella French born in 1893 in East Wickham Kent
went to Canada in the arly 1900's.
Thank you for any help.
Margaret

Name: Lily Rosella French
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 24 Mar 1919
Vessel: Metagama
Search Ship Database: View the 'Metagama' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: St.John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14837

Travelling alone, single, no occupation stated, Destination, Toronto.

From FMP records -

Name: Miss L R FRENCH
Date of departure: 15 March 1919
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Saint John NB, Canada
Passenger destination: Saint John NB, Canada
Date of Birth: 1893 (calculated from age)
Age: 26
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Domestic
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 30

Ship: METAGAMA
Official Number: 136791
Master's name: J Gillies
Steamship Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Atlantic Steamship Line
Where bound: Saint John NB, Canada
Square feet: 22453
Registered tonnage: 7654
Passengers on voyage: 431

You may already have this

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
Name: Miss Lilly Rosella French - Housekeeper - Methodist
Birth Place: Welling Kent England
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Father Name: Phillip French
Mother Name: Esther French
Spouse Name: Mr Oscar Goldsmith Lowden - Tailor - Anglican
Spouse's Age: 25
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1894
Spouse Birth Place: Castleford Yorkshire England
Spouse Father Name: Lowden
Spouse Mother Name: Lowden
Marriage Date: 30 Mar 1919
Marriage County or District: York

thank you so much what a lot of information
Margaret

Her temporary return and list as a voter?

Name: Lily Rosella Lowden
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 28 Jul 1928
Vessel: Laurentic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Laurentic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14745


Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980 about Mrs Lily R Lowden
Name: Mrs Lily R Lowden
Location: New Westminster, British Columbia
Electoral District: New Westminster
Year: 1962

???

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980

1957
Oscar Lowden, supt
Mrs Lily Lowden
60 Elmhurst Avenue
York, Ontario

The above at the same address in 1958 but listed as
O G Lowden, supt of buildings
Mrs Lily Lowden

1962
Oscar G Lowden, retired
Mrs Lily R Lowden
15018 Thrift Avenue
New Westminster, British Columbia

Looks like they had a trip to the Bahamas in 1955. He's with Lily:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Oscar Lowden Name: Oscar Lowden
Arrival Date: 5 Aug 1955
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Canadian
Place of Origin: Canada
Port of Departure: Nassau, Bahamas
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Nassau
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On her trip back to England in 1928 she was going to visit her sister Mrs. Beatrice Smith, 25 Blanche Rd., Eltham, London.

She must have known Oscar before she left England. On her admission to Canada in 1919 she says she's going to Toronto to marry Oscar Lowden, although the name looks more like Logan on the original.

thank you all so much
Margaret

Was Oscar, perhaps, a Home Child? If so I wonder how Lily met him?

Home Children (1869-1930)
Item Display
Return to results | Search | Search HelpSurname: LOWDENGiven Name: OscarAge: 14Sex: MShip: CanadaYear of Arrival: 1907Departure Port: LiverpoolDeparture Date: 1907-03-07Arrival Port: PortlandArrival Date: 1907-03-16Party: The Children’s HomeDestination: Hamilton, OntarioComments: See also reel C-4708Source: Library and Archives CanadaReference: RG76 B 1 aMicrofilm: T-514Type of Record: Passenger ListsGroup of Children Traveling Together

This is the only birth I see for an Oscar Goldsmith:

Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Rodgers Oscar Goldsmith Pontefract 9c 151

Edit: Pontefract district covers Castleford where Oscar says he was born on his marriage record.

On the marriage record for Oscar & Lilly, Oscar has put "Not Known" for both mother & father.

A public family tree on Anc lists his parents a Harriet Lowden and John Augustus Rodgers with a number of photos including one with Lily, husband and children

She went to Canada, and married Oscar in March 1919


I wonder if Oscar had joined either the Canadian or British armies in WW1, and that that was how they met??


If she stated that she was going over to marry him, then they had to have met in the UK before March 1919


In other words, was she a War Bride??

It looks from those 3 Public Family Trees as if he was an illegitimate child .............. of John Augustus Rodgers and Harriet Lowden.


The tree shows half-siblings with the surname of Rodgers

The 1891 Census is interesting, if the trees are accurate in naming the parents for Oscar


1891 Census

Name: Henrietta Lowden
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Lowden
Mother's name: Mary A Lowden
Gender: Female
Where born: Walpole, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Crowland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Guthlac
Town: Crowland
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Crowland

William Lowden 47 b.ca 1844, Tilney, Norfolk, Blacksmith (Master)
Mary A Lowden 47 b.ca 1844, Crowland, Norfolk
Henrietta Lowden 20 Assistant Housekeeper
Francis J Lowden 6 b.ca 1885, Crowland, Norfolk
John A Rodgers 30 b.ca 1861, Kingston, Jamaica, Visitor, Joiner

Address:- South Street


John Augustus was coloured in the photograph on the one ancestry tree that has it. Equally, Oscar Goldsmith also looks to be of mixed heritage.


There were 2 children on the photograph with Lily (dated 1924), but only one (Edward) is shown on the listing.


Edward Oscar Lowden 1920 – 2000

Mabel Winnifred Lowden


Against this, is the fact that Margee has found the only record of a birth for Oscar to be registered in Pontefract, which is in Yorkshire! And that is the birth shown on those trees.


Does this mean that Henrietta was sent to Yorkshire for the birth?






sylvia

This could be Oscar in the 1911 Canadian Census


1911 Canada Census

Gunnurson Robt M Head M Jun 1880 30 1901
Gunnurson Martha F Wife M Jun 1876 34 1901
Gunnurson Daurine F Daughter S Sep 1907 3 1901
Gunnurson George M Son S Jun 1910 11/12 1901
Louden Oscar M Servant S Jan 1894 17 1901



EDITED Oct 30, ca 9:10 pm

Forgot to add where this census was taken

1911 / Ontario / Simcoe South / 16 Tecumseth /



sylvia

and here he is in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Oscar Goldsmith London
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: N

Civil parish: Hatfield Broad Oak
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hatfield Broad Oak
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Dunmow

Stevens Jane 73 b.ca 1828, Spittsbury, Oxfordshire, Widow, Living on Own Means
Annie Trott 46 b.ca 1855, London, England, Daughter
Jack Croseley 8 b.ca 1893, not known, Boarder
Oscar Goldsmith London 7
Rosie Hoyd Davies 6 b.ca 1895, not known, Boarder

Address:- The Heath



so, 3 small children being boarded out, birth places not known.


How sad!





sylvia

I think those trees may be wrong!


Henrietta Lowdon, named as Oscar's mother, is only 20 in 1901, living with r parents in Lincolnshire


............... which means she would have been only 14 or 15 when Oscar was born


Not impossible, and that may have been the reason he was born in Yorkshire.


One would need the birth certificate to determine is this is the case.



No, no .......... the 1991 Census is WRONG!!!


Henrietta was 20 in 1891 ................... so she must have been 30 in 1901!!


which means she was 24/25 when Oscar was born, IF she is Oscar's mother.




sylvia