Genealogy Chat

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Hello Rita,

Hope all is well. Did you make any progress ?

Hi Rita,

I see this all was 25 January 2014. How are you getting on? I dont think that Richard and George have anything to do with us (at least directly). The secret of this may well depend on finding out more about Sir William Cubitt's brothers and sisters, ie the baptism records of Joseph Cubitt's children (JC, the miller of Bacton)
Something Recently came up from the 1841 census - where Joseph was living with family at Founders Court, Lothbury (behind Bank of England). This is that a Martin Cubitt, builder, was also based in Lothbury. This Martin Cubitt was born in Norfolk. Is this just a coincidence of two cubitts located in a small, exclusive street in the city at the same time?

I have quite a lot on Joseph Cubitt b 1797 Middsx and Robert who did marry Anna Arnull. I am descended from Robert's son Charles. I am having a lot of difficulty tracing Joseph back further as I have found no evidence of his birth in Middlesex nor have I any convincing evidence of who his father was. There is a school of thought which places Joseph Cubitt as a younger son of a Joseph Cubitt of Bacton, Dilham, Norfolk. A more famous son of this Bacton Joseph Cubitt was Sir William Cubitt, the engineer. However this line conflicts with the assertion in both the 1841 and 1851 that my Joseph was baptised (and most probably born) in Middlesex! I will see what I can find on Richard and George

Well MFG, you have been busy! However I still cannot piece the information together. I too saw the picture of Joseph and the amazing moustache looking very distinguished! The trouble is that the Cubitts are very vast and as a result I have wandered off in three directions! (Currently I have three trees or should I say branches). So easily done though, their names were passed down through generations and they are widespread too. On one 'diversion' I had collated information on a Joseph who married Hannah Lubbock and they had a Son, William who was Knighted. He married Abigail Sparkhall and in turn they had a son Joseph in 1811 (who also became a stockbroker) he died in 1872.

Going back further, the Joseph b 1760's parents were Richard 1729 and Martha Temple. Records show that Richard came from a family of Millers in Norfolk (Bacton -Google). There is a link between this family and another,also from Norfolk ,whereby a butcher William Cubitt b 1725 (married Mary Hall) and they had a son Jonathan b 1760. He married Agnes Scarlett.

The relationship between these two families is quoted as being a 'mystery' (Articles on Google confirm) one reference being they were stepbrothers - Joseph and Jonathan that is! Together they received great acclaim in their field of Civil Engineering as a Partnership,.and are responsible for many astonishing fetes. (Makes very interesting reading). I have their descendants listed down to the present day, the last entry being our new Prince George! Seems Camilla P B's Grandmother Maud Marianne Calvert married Henry Cubitt . If I get it wrong I'll end up in the Tower - hearing shouts of 'Off with her head'

So, I need to establish whether this in fact part of my Tree which is why I am pursuing the history of my Joseph 1979 .He I know came from came from London/Middlesex. His parents and any siblings would be a great advantage too. My Grandmother was Elizabeth Mary Ann Cubitt b 1884 Great Granddaughter of the grand looking gentleman in the photograph.

Kind Regards
Rita

There's a tree on Ancestry with Joseph and a picture of him. It seems he had a brother Sir William Cubbit and this tree goes back to 1515 !!!!!!!

They have his parents as Joseph Cubitt 1765 London Middx and Hannah Lubbock 1770 no place of birth.

They have pictures of Tokenhouse Yard and Founders Court E C 2 signs and a pic of Joseph with a moustache that goes from one ear to the other. No whiskers on his chin.

(do you have his Death Rita?)

Date: 30 June 1843
take notice, the court for relief of insol- vent debtors. - London Gazette
Joseph Cubitt, formerly of No. 22, High-street, Kingsland,
'• Middlesex, carrying on business as a Stock Broker in the
Rotunda at the Bank of England, and late of Founders'-
hall-court, Lothbury, London, Stock Broker.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20238/pages/2236/page.pdf

(above from google)

Chris :)

1841
CUBITT, Joseph M 44 1797 Middlesex (Stock Broker)
CUBITT, Catherine F 47 1794
CUBITT, Ann F 56 1785
CUBITT, Fanny E F 23 1818 Middlesex
CUBITT, Catherine A F 19 1822 Middlesex
CUBITT, Joseph S M 22 1819 Middlesex
CUBITT, Samuel M 17 1824 Middlesex
HAWEY, Ann F 52 1789 (Harvey)
Piece: 721
Book/Folio: 17/5
Page: 4
Registration District: London
Civil Parish: St Margaret Lothbury
Municipal Borough: London
Address: Founders Court, St Margaret Lothbury, London
County: Middlesex


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Wm Harvey
Spouse:
Elizth Cubitt
Marriage Date:
1808
Parish:
St. Sepulchre


Name:
Kobut Cubitt (Robert)
Spouse:
Hannah Pebberdy
Marriage Date:
1806
Parish:
St. Sepulchre

No - I don't have that information MFG - thankyou - that's one step in the right direction.

My problem is trying to find Joseph's parents/siblings and I am so not able to fathom how. But thankyou - at least that is a help.

Rita

Suppose you have this.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Catherine Harvey
Name: Catherine Harvey
Spouse Name: Joseph Cubitt

Event Date: 5 Nov 1816
Parish: Holborn St Sepulchre
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses William Harvey and William King.

There is a Freedom of the City Admission Paper for Joseph Cubitt.

Freedom of the City by redemption in the company of Paviors. Payment of 46 shillings and eight pence paid on the 28 March 1820.

A note on the record states 'To be a Stock Broker'

Only one sheet and no further information sadly.

Chris

Early Parish Records about, Ancestry have some London, nothing 'jumping out' as him, not all Parishes online.

Chris :)

The 1872 Death was the Civil Engineer one. (Son of Sir William Cubitt Death 1861)


(Morning Post Newspaper Wednesday Dec 11 1872)

Cubitt Joseph- on the 7th inst. at 7, Park Street, Westminster, Vice President of the Institution of Civil Engineers, aged 61)


Deaths Dec 1872 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
CUBITT Joseph 61 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 260


Marriage (Find My Past)
Groom's First names:Joseph (Civil Engineer)
Groom's surname:Cubitt
Groom's parish:
Groom's Age:Full
Marriage year:1842
Marriage month:Oct
Marriage day:01
Parish:St Margaret, Westminster
County:Middlesex
Bride's First names:Ellen
Bride's surname:Moore
Bride's parish:
Bride's Age:Full
Record source:Westminster Marriages- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(Father, Wm Cubitt, Civil Engineer. Residence at time, Gt. George St. Her Father, Jno Moore, Lieut R N)

1841
CUBITT, William M 56 1785 (Civil Engineer)
CUBITT, Elizabeth J F 50 1791
CUBITT, Joseph M 29 1812 (Civil Engineer)
RANDALL, Joseph M 25 1816
MOORE, Ellen F 17 1824
DAVIS, Edward M 23 1818
GARROD, Edward M 24 1817
COOPER, Mary F 25 1816
FIDEMOUNT, Susan F 21 1820
TURK, Charlott F 31 1810
Piece: 738
Book/Folio: 3/6
Page: 4
Registration District: Westminster
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: George Street, Great, St Margaret, Westminster
County: Middlesex

1871
CUBITT, Joseph Head M 59 1812 Horning Norfolk (Civil Engineer)
CUBITT, Ellen Wife F 46 1825 Isle of Wight
BIRCH, Charles Servant M 29 1842 Northamptonshire
BLAKE, Ricd Servant M 25 1846 Kent
COUSLAKE, Sophia Servant F 46 1825 Gloucestershire
TILNEY, Margt Servant F 34 1837 Norfolk
WILSON, Charlotte Servant F 29 1842 Hertfordshire
DEWING, Sophia Servant F 20 1851 Norfolk
Piece: 127
Folio: 52
Page: 3
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: Park Street, St Margaret, Westminster
County: London, Middlesex

Baptism http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
County Norfolk
Place Horning
Church St Benedict At
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 24 Nov 1811
BaptismDate 18 Dec 1811
Forename Joseph
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Abigail
FatherSurname CUBIT
MotherSurname SPARKALL


http://www.oxforddnb.com/templates/article.jsp?articleid=6860&back=

Hi Chris - whilst the information you gave was very helpful and informative, I am yet again struggling to find any information on the Joseph (unknown middle name) Cubitt who was born in 1797 who became a stockbroker. I can find no records that go back thus far.....are there any? My interest is Joseph's birthplace, parents and siblings. Can you help or point me in the right direction? Many thanks.

Kind Regards
Rita

Baptism
Day:14
Month:March
Year:1819
Forename:Joseph
Othernames:Samuel
Surname:Cubitt
Fathers forenames:Joseph
Fathers occupation:Gent
Mothers forenames:Catherine
Birth date:
Address:St. Mary, Newington
Location of church:Bermondsey
Parish:St Mary Magdalen
Church address:Bermondsey Street
Entry No:871
Source Ref:NX097/232
Record source:Docklands Ancestors

(not sure if fitting anywhere)

Chris :)

PM received and information acknowledged.

In 1841 your Robert William is working in a Drapers shop in Leicester Square while the other Robert is still at home with his parents George and Ann.
Robert William marries Anna and in 1851 he is living in Islington with his wife and children Amelia and Jeannet. He is a draper.

I would like to think that there is no connection between the two although I cannot find a baptism for either Joseph or George.

This must be the Richard and Robert brothers you are referring to

1841 census transcription details for: Brunswick Place, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 707
Book/Folio: 8/46
Page: 6
Reg. District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Hoxton New Town
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Brunswick Place, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CUBITT, Geo M 50 1791
CUBITT, Ann F 50 1791
CUBITT, Richd M 21 1820
CUBITT, Robt M 20 1821
BREADAN, Susan F 26 1815 Middlesex
SPENCER, Maria F 26 1815 Middlesex

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Richard George Cubitt
Name: Richard George Cubitt
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1825
Father's Name: George Cubitt
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cubitt
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Robert William Cubitt
Name: Robert William Cubitt
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1821
Father's Name: Joseph Cubitt
Mother's Name: Catherine Cubitt
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

It this is the same family as the builders 'Cubitt' there is a lot of information about them on the internet.

And I believe at either London Metropolitan Archives or British Library.

Name: Robert William Cubitt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1821
Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 May 1821
Father's Name: Joseph Cubitt
Mother's Name: Catherine
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-4
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 396234, 396235, 396236
Reference ID:

Marriage

Name: Robert William Cubitt
Spouse's Name: Anna Arnull
Event Date: 03 Jul 1847
Event Place: Saint Dunstan,Stepney,London,England