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Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1859
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
NELSON * John BAINES Sarah St Mary, Dalton-in-Furness Cumbria Certificate Services C13/2/143
NELSON * John BAYNES Sarah St Mary, Dalton-in-Furness Cumbria Certificate Services C13/2/143


Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Baines Sarah Ulverston 8e 832
Baxendale William Ulverston 8e 832
Baynes Sarah ? 8e 832
Baynes Sarah Ulverstone 8e 832 xxxxxx
Bell Eleanor Ulverston 8e 832
Nelson John Ulverstone 8e 832 xxxxxx


John Nelson, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Nelson
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Sarah Baynes
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 1859
Event Place: Dalton In Furness, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: John Nelson
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Baynes
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00516-4
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1471899
Reference ID: 2:3ZT6LLB

I think that is them. Thanks a lot

Just a thought but putting the two names together found this baptism:

John Neilson in entry for Maryann Neilson, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"
Name: Maryann Neilson
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 05 Mar 1858
Birthplace: TROQUEER,KIRKCUDBRIGHT,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Neilson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Beattie
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11882-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:

Name of Nelson not quite right but time frame fits so might be them and possibly married in Scotland ???? Might be worth investigating further!

The only baptism I can find for a Sarah in Skinburness is for a Sarah Beattie:


England & Wales, Quaker Birth, Marriage, and Death Registers, 1578-1837
about Sarah Beattie


Name:Sarah Beattie
Event Type:Birth
Birth Date:28 May 1837
Birth Place:Skinburness, England
Gender:Female
Father:John Beattie
Mother:Eliza Beattie
Meeting:Monthly Meeting of Holme (comprising Maryport, Wigton, Allonby)
Piece Description:Piece 0225: Monthly Meeting of Holme (comprising Maryport, Wigton

On the same image is a Leonora b1829 - Sarah had a daughter Leonora.

We'll say it once again - there are NO found records for their marriage and that's assuming they did.

To discover her maiden name, you need to purchase a Birth Certificate for one of the children.

Sorry - but that's the way it is sometimes. :-0

Thanks a lot, I still don't know what Sarah's maiden name is but you have given me lots of info to read through.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD - Male 37 1834 - IRELAND Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE - Female 35 1836 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
ELIZABETH A NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 11 1860 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
JOHN W NELSON SON - Male 9 1862 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
JOSEPH NELSON SON - Male 7 1864 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 5 1866 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
ROBERT NELSON SON - Male 3 1868 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
LEANORA NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 0 1871 - CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
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First name(s) LEANORA
Last name NELSON
Relationship DAUGHTER
Marital condition -
Gender Female
Age 0
Birth year 1871
Birth town -
Birth county CUMBERLAND
House number -
House name -
Street SILLOTH WAMPOOL STREET
Parish HOLME LOW

I don't actually think that any blame can be laid at the transcriber's door.................

If you look at the 1901 transcription posted earlier, the ages do not correspond with the birth years.....they are from the 1871 census

Don't know which site it came from.................the correct version is from FMP

The CORRECT transcription for 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD MARRIED Male 66 1835 HOTEL LAND LORD IRELAND Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE MARRIED Female 61 1840 - SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
JOSEPH NELSON SON SINGLE Male 34 1867 DOCK LABOURER SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
CHARLES NELSON SON SINGLE Male 19 1882 GENERAL CARTER SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND Image Transcription
MATILDA NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 20 1881 HOTEL WAITRESS SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND Image Transcription

First name(s) JOHN
Last name NELSON
Relationship HEAD
Marital condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 66
Birth year 1835
Occupation HOTEL LAND LORD
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth place (other) IRELAND
House number 33
House name (ALBION HOTEL)
Street EDEN STREET
Parish HOLME LOW
Town SILLOTH

Coming back to the marriage - there is always the possibility that for some reason or other, they didn't.

Doesn't help with Sarah's name, but just in case you don't have this - his probate record:

John Nelson
Probate Date:17 Aug 1906
Death Date:8 May 1906
Death Place:Cumberland, England
Registry:Carlisle

Of the Albion, Silloth. Probate granted to Joseph Nelson (hotel proprierer) and John Elliott (Joiner) £954 4s 8d.

Also, I don't know where the 4 young children come from on the 1901 census posted - it must be a transcription error as they are not on the census image.

Name: Thomas Nelson
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 22 Jan 1857
Burial Place: St.Paul'S, Silloth, Cumberland, England
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1857
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B17149-1
System Origin: England-EASy

Irene

When asking for help, please take a moment to check that the info you give is correctly typed.

Transposed digits, and otherwise inaccurate dates can cause problems

Elizabeth Ann Nelson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 6 February 1860 St. Paul's, Silloth, Cumberland, England
residence: Silloth, Cumberland, England
father: John Nelson
mother: Sarah


John Nelson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 11 November 1855 St. Paul's, Silloth, Cumberland, England
residence: Silloth, Cumberland, England
father: John Nelson
mother: Sarah



Thomas Nelson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 20 January 1857 St. Paul's, Silloth, Cumberland, England
residence: Silloth, Cumberland, England
father: John Nelson
mother: Sarah


John William Nelson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 19 January 1862 St. Paul's, Silloth, Cumberland, England
residence: Silloth, Cumberland, England
father: John Nelson
mother: Sarah



Robert Nelson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 6 September 1868 St. Paul's, Silloth, Cumberland, England
residence: Silloth, Cumberland, England
father: John Nelson
mother: Sarah

OK thanks again for your help

If you purchase Matilda's BC, it will give Sarah's maiden name. Not all information is freely available on the internet.

Purchase her BC at a cost of £9.25 inc world wide P&P from
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Tick the YES box where it asks if the gro ref is known
(not necessarily in the correct order)

Year 1880
Surname Nelson
First name Matilda
Volume 10b
Page 488
Registration District Wigton
Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec

Thanks for your help but I still can't find Sarah's maiden name.

Ah I was looking for him born 1843 as per OP

This cert will give you mums maiden name

Births Dec 1880
NELSON Matilda Wigton 10b 488

Here he is

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD MARRIED Male 27 1834 AGRICULTURAL LABOURER IRELAND
Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE MARRIED Female 24 1837 AGRICULTURAL LABOURERS WIFE SKINBURNESS, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
ELIZA ANN NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 1 1860 - SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND

Parish HOLME LOW
City or borough -
Town SILLOTH


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Occupation Birth year Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD - Male 37 - 1834 IRELAND
Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE - Female 35 - 1836 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
ELIZABETH A NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 11 - 1860 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
JOHN W NELSON SON - Male 9 - 1862 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription

Street SILLOTH WAMPOOL STREET
Parish HOLME LOW


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD MARRIED Male 43 1838 DOCK LAB LISBURN, IRELAND
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SARAH NELSON WIFE MARRIED Female 42 1839 WIFE SKINBURNE, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
JOHN NELSON SON SINGLE Male 19 1862 DOCK LAB SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
JOSEPH NELSON SON SINGLE Male 17 1864 CHEMICAL LAB (MANUF CHEM) SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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ROBERT NELSON SON SINGLE Male 12 1869 SCHOLAR SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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NORAH NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 10 1871 SCHOLAR SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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MARY NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 8 1873 SCHOLAR SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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GEORGE NELSON SON SINGLE Male 6 1875 SCHOLAR SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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HANNAH NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 4 1877 - SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
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MATILDA NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 0 1881 - SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND

Street WAMPOOL STREET
Parish LOW HOLME


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD MARRIED Male 53 1838 CARTER IRELAND
Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE MARRIED Female 50 1841 - CUMBERLAND
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JOSEPH NELSON SON SINGLE Male 27 1864 CARTER CUMBERLAND
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GEORGE NELSON SON SINGLE Male 17 1874 CARTER CUMBERLAND
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HANNAH NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 15 1876 DOMESTIC SERVANT CUMBERLAND
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MATILDA NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 10 1881 SCHOLAR CUMBERLAND
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CHARLES NELSON SON - Male 9 1882 SCHOLAR CUMBERLAND
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ALPHONSE NELSON SON - Male 7 1884 SCHOLAR CUMBERLAND

Street WAMPOOL STREET
Parish LOW HOLME


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
JOHN NELSON HEAD MARRIED Male 66 1835 HOTEL LAND LORD IRELAND
Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON WIFE MARRIED Female 61 1840 - SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
JOSEPH NELSON SON SINGLE Male 34 1867 DOCK LABOURER SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
CHARLES NELSON SON SINGLE Male 19 1882 GENERAL CARTER SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
MATILDA NELSON DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 20 1881 HOTEL WAITRESS SILLOTH, CUMBERLAND
JOSEPH NELSON SON - Male 7 - 1864 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
SARAH NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 5 - 1866 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
ROBERT NELSON SON - Male 3 - 1868 CUMBERLAND
Image Transcription
LEANORA NELSON DAUGHTER - Female 0 - 1871 CUMBERLAND

House name (ALBION HOTEL)
Street EDEN STREET
Parish HOLME LOW
Town SILLOTH

Not seeing that 1861 census , can you post it please