Genealogy Chat

(From Keith)

Hi Sylvia and everyone who helped me,

I have found a baptism for a George Marwood in Pittington.

His father Vickers Marwood (blacksmith) and his mother, Elizabeth.

I have the birth cert for his brother, William Marwood too.

I also have the death certificate for my great great grandmother Elizabeth Marwood on the 25/5/1912 in Shotton, County Durham. The informant was her son George Marwood of 26 Lambton Street, Sherburn Hill which also happens to be the address of my great grandfather in the 1911 census

So everything comes together. Just thought it would be nice to let you know after all these years.

Many many thanks and kindest regards.

Hi Sylvailn
Tried that no luck att all.
I tried a combination of names but to no avail.
Thanks Anyway
Regards
Keith :-)

Hi Sylvailn

Thanks for that wll give it a try without a birthdate and just search the general area.
many thanks
Keith :-)

pity!!!


You do have to be aware that the age on a census (and hence the birth year) is commonly 1 year out from the real birth year, and often as much as 2 years.



The census enumerator asked for a person's age on the night of the census

Then the modern-day transcriber changed that to birth year.


Now, depending on when a person's birth date actually was, the birth year can be out that 1 year ............. and as I said, 2 years is not uncommon.




Plus ...................... ages for everyone over the age of 15 on the 1841 Census were rated down to the nearest 5 ............... so birth years on there can be as much as 4 years out.

eg, someone saying they were 29 in 1841, would have their age shown as 25 ..............

and the modern-day transcriber will put that down as birth year 1816 .................. instead of the 1812 that it really should be.

Hi Sylvailn
Yes I have checked and it would appear to be two different people as George maddison lowery is mentioned later on as father of the bride.
And he also lives in the next village to George Parry at the same time
But thanks anyway
Kindest regards
Keith :-)

Hi Sylvailn
A very interesting theory.
However according to all census George was born in 1858 but then again he could have been mistaken.
I had searched most of the areas around Pittington and could not find anything.

Considering that George was going by the wrong name as my mother was told that observation of yours might be worth checking.
Thanks very much
Regards Keith
:-)

The name Maddison is intriguing

is your only record of George's birth his age on a census??


because I found this on the Mormon site ................. www.familysearch.org



Name: George Maddison Lowery
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Jul 1856
Christening Place: West Rainton, Durham, England
Father's Name: James Lowery
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01829-9 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1514523 , Reference ID: yr 1825-1835 p 197



from freebmd .....................

Births Jun 1856 (>99%)
Lowery George Maddison Durham 10a 256

if a married woman had a child after the husband's death .............. the child was assumed to be the husband's child

UNLESS the Registrar was told otherwise.

BUT .................. the putative father had to be there in person to give his permission for his name to be put on the Birth Registration


Most men were not willing to do that, as it laid them open to being forced to support the mother and children by the parish.


It is probably that George did not know who his father was ................ if his mother kept quite about it, and he did not know when his father died, why would he ask???



You may be able to find a baptism for one or both of the boys, and the Vicar MAY have made a note in the margin of the Parish Register as to the name of the suspected father.

OR you may be able to find a family bible, or a letter, in which the name of the father is mentioned.



but otherwise, I'm afraid you have little chance of determining who was the birth father.

A copy of marriage cert for George Parry age 19 and Elizabeth Hudspeth 17/3/1877 states father of George is John Parry coal miner deceased, so didn't George know who his dad was??

Maryb.

So we are back at the beginning aren't we, but it all makes sense now. I can see that you could really do with a birth cert/baptism record for George to see what father is recorded.
Tricky!

Hi Kay
Yes i have seen them about his death on the railway line and his ability as a blacksmith
Everything points to Vickers as being George and Williams father but I cant prove it
Many Thanks
Keith :-)

There are a couple of articles about Vickers Marwood in the British Newspapers,,,

Hi Brummie jan
I am certain that he was a bigamist because my 2x greatgrandmother was still alive and kicking as you can see that she is with Robert Harris and has a son with him it has got me very confused as well
Regards
keith :-)

Hi Maryb
Absolutley right but I still cant find a registration for my great grandfather.
My mother had said that as a girl a solicitor came to see George Parry about 1925 and said there was land in Australia that he was entitled to if would be known by another name.My mother who is now deceased could not remember the name.I am wondering if it was his real father.It would seem likley that Vickers Marwood was his father but i cant be certain
Keith

Elizabeth Parry widow married Vickers batchelor 1854 her dad Joseph Maddison his dad Ralph
1861 reverted back to Parry
meanwhile Vickers took up with Elizabeth Graham (1880 Jailed for 12 months for robbery) they married 1870 Vickers saying he was a widow.(Not)

1871 Elizabeth Marwood /Parry nee Maddison is with Robert Harris.No marriage found.

1881 with Robert Harris
1891/1901 also with Robert Harris
Also 1881/1891 there is Grandaughter Elizabeth Metcalf age 8
Elizabeth Parry had daughter Jane Parry 1853 she married William Metcalf 11/3/1871.

Maryb.

OK, have answered my own question, as I can see the marriage cert for Elizabeth Parry (nee Maddison) and Vickers on someone's Ancestry tree.
So - are we speculating that Vickers was a bigamist?? Still in a tangle here!
Jan

Keith, just humour me for a moment as my brain is in a knot!!

Can I just ask how you got back to Elizabeth and John Parry in the first place? Just wondering how you know that William and George's mother was Elizabeth Maddison?

There are 2 1861 census going on above, one for John and Elizabeth Parry, and the other for Vickers and Elizabeth Marwood. Obviously these cannot be the same Elizabeth.

Jan

????

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Freehold Field Houses, West Rainton, Houghton Le Spring, Durham, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Harris Head - Male 47 1824 - Ireland
Image Transcription
Elizabeth Harris Wife - Female 44 1827 - Durham, England
Image Transcription
William Perry Step-Son - Male 15 1856 - Durham, England
Image Transcription
George Perry Step-Son - Male 12 1859 - Durham, England
Image Transcription
John Harris Son - Male 7 1864 - Durham, England

Hi safc
That Elizabeth Marwood is Vickers second wife Elizabeth Graham in 1871 at Elemore who was from Dublin she was acttually jailed for a street assault.Yes I have all of that info but can still not tie them down to my 2x great grandmother

Thank you
Keith .