Genealogy Chat

hello everyone I hope you are all well.
I am going cross eyed, I have been searching the census records for nearly a week and cant find my ggrandparents, I cant even find my grandmother so I can work back not a trace, please can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
thanks patx

Hi Pat.
Can't really answer this without knowing who you are looking for!
However, the most common errors are when you make assumptions, such as where they were born. Try being less specific.
What site are you using?
Jan

If you'd like to give her name and when she was born someone might be able to find her for you.

Kath. x

hi jean
I am looking for the family (eg parents) of mary Catherine maher born Liverpool 1895 her mother ellen/Helen was b 1866, and her father about 1865 in Ireland I found them on the 1901 census but there was only them two so I tried searching the 1911 but nothing

Where were they living in the 1901 census?

Kath. x

Is this the family in the 1911 census:-

Ellen Maher Head Married Female 42 1869 Liverpool Hawker Fish
Mary Cathrine Maher Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Liverpool Servant Domestic<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Johanna Maher Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Liverpool Ticket Maker
John Tommas Maher Son - Male 13 1898 Liverpool School
Daniel James Maher Son - Male 10 1901 Liverpool School
John Matheson Boarder Single Male 28 1883 Liverpool Labourer General
Peter Matheson Boarder - Male 13 1898 Liverpool School

ADDRESS:- 87 Bk Salisbury St Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England

It says the mother has been married 26 years. Do you know the father's name as he is not at home on this census.

Kath. x

kath they lived in Liverpool I think west derby area not sure of that tho but they definatly lived in Liverpool.

kath thankyou very much for your help yes I am almost certain this is the family. you found them so quick I have searched for daysxxx
thanks againx

There are a few Mary Mahers with mother Ellen.
Can you please say which one is yours, and why you believe it to be that one?
Do you have her father's name?
Jan

I am assuming (and I know I shouldn't assume anything) that this is the family in 1901:-

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Maher Head Married Male 39 1862 Marine Fireman Ireland
Ellen Maher Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary C Maher Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Johanna Maher Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John T Maher Son Single Male 3 1898 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Daniel J Maher Son Single Male 1 1900 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Annie Cullamore Visitor Single Female 13 1888 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Address:- St Martin's Cottages, 65, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Kath. x

Maybe?

Name: John Francis Maher
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 826

Records on Page:
Name
James Harvey
Mary Ann Lynch
John Francis Maher
Ellen McEvoy

There is a tree on ancestry with this.



mary catherine maher
Birth 1895 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death 12/1959 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Mother


ellen castellian
Birth 1866 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death 1929 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Grandfather


matthew castellian
Birth 1842 in Italy
Death 1902 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England


Great grandfather


pasquale castellian
Birth 1800-1842 in italy
Death

I notice you are also researching the name Castellian. Is this perhaps your tree?

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Court, Slade Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Print transcription View image
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Maher Head Married Male 26 1865 Dock Labourer Ireland
Transcription
Ellen Maher Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

RG - no, no luck - http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ says
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MCEVOY Ellen HARVEY James West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/105/107

morning alviegal,kath and jean
thankyou for your very kind help as I said I have searched for days and found nothing or no one and you found the info so quick. this is the family I am searching for as I know the names in the family especially the one with ann cullimore as I know she was some relation to mary Catherine I think cousin. I was interested to see who was living in the house as I have an old photo of my grandmother mary Catherine and there is a young girl on it and I remember years ago my mum telling me her name was beena and something about one of her mothers sisters died and her mother took them in and brought them up but no trace on the census, ellens husband was john maher born Ireland( don't know where) I found them on the 1901 census but just ellen and john (ellen had already been married and widowed to martin grimes her and john got married 1897) and by 1911 it looks like she was widowed again

Hi Patricia,

If you look again at the 1911 census that I posted you will see that although John Maher is not at home it does say that Ellen is married and not widowed so John must be somewhere else.

Kath. x

John and Ellen's marriage:

MAHER John GRIMES Ellen Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

This image is on Ancestty:

Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921

Helenam Grimes

Marriage Date:10 Nov 1897
Parish:St Sylvester (Sylvestri), Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name: Joannem Maher
Father's Name:Mathaei Castellion
Spouse Father's Name:Michaelis Maher


Ellen & Martin's marriage:

GRIMES Martin CASTELLAIN Ellen Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

The image for this marriage is on Ancestry:

Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921
Martimer Grimes

Marriage Date:22 Oct 1883
Parish:St Anthony, Lancashire, England
Spouse's Name: Helena Castellain
Father's Name:Edwardi Grimes
Spouse Father's Name:Mathie Castellain

Mary Catherine's baptism - although her father is named on the image, he isn't shown at the bottome where it has "fuit" and a space for father's name, so presumably he wasn't present at the baptism:


Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Maria Catharina Maher




Name:
Maria Catharina Maher

Birth Date:
9 Jul 1893

Baptism Date:
18 Jul 1893

Parish:
Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette, Lancashire, England

Father's Name:
Joannis Maher

Mother's name:
Thelenae Castelian

The Cullimore connection?


1881 England Census
Ann Castelian
Age:17
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1864
Relationship to Head:Daughter
Father:Mathew Castelian
Mother:Mary Castelian
Gender:Female
Where born:Liverpool
1 In 10 CT Cavendish St
Occupation:Warehouse Girl

Mathew Castelian 40, blacksmith, b Naples
Mary Castelian 39
Ann Castelian 17
Mathew Castelian 11
Mary Isabella Castelian 5
Christina Castelian 2

CULLMORE Loftus CASTELLAIN Anne Liverpool, St. Alban Liverpool

I cannot find baptisms for Ann or Helen, but this looks like another sister's and on this the MMN is given as McNally:


Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
about Maria Christina Castello

Maria Christina Castello
Birth Date:23 Nov 1868
Baptism Date:6 Dec 1868
Parish:Holy Cross, Lancashire, England
Father's Name:Matthei Castello
Mother's name:Maria Castello

Edit: OK found Ellen's baptism - mistranscribed:


Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
Name:Helena Costello
Birth Date:30 Nov 1865
Baptism Date:10 Dec 1865
Parish:St Mary's, Lancashire, England
Father's Name:Martini Costello
Mother's name:Maria Mcnally