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How can I find a birth certificate of someone born in 1817. I want to trace back from this date but the father could of been born Ireland so until I get a certificate I will not know.

You cant is the basic answer

Civil Registration started in England /Wales in Sept qrtr 1837 before then you can only hope to find a childs baptism that in most cases wont give the mums maiden name.

Civil Registration for Ireland started in 1845 for marriages,and 1864 for births

You'll have to rely on Parish Records - https://familysearch.org/ is quite a good free site.

Civil registration began in Scotland in 1855

Thanks for information I have been looking everywhere for a way to get back further but it seems from before the birth father was supposed to be Irish mother English. The father does not appear on any census records but at child birth states he was a soldier in Ireland at the time. Cant find any death record for him either so perhaps my journey looking back has come to an end.

Try the Military Records - if you don't have access post here what you do know about him.

As the child's BC/Baptism will name his mother, we might also be able to find a marriage for her.

John Griffin born 1817 All Cannings Devizes Baptised 9.2.1817 father Patrick Griffin c1795 on baptism record (soldier serving in Ireland) mother Virtue (Hiscock) wife and mother resident here. Also found marriage untraceable in All Cannings. John appears to be only child. I am trying to find out if Patrick was from Ireland as record says mother resident here, or if he was English and serving in Ireland. I haven't found a death record in the area of All Cannings but both Hiscocks and Griffins from John down seem to all come from that area .

I guess the Virtue Hiscock born All Cannings 1793 must be yours? Makes it likely that they married there, assuming they married at all of course!
Jan

Where on the baptism record does the father's age appear?

For info ONLY

First name(s) JOHN
Last name GRIFFIN
Birth year 1817
Birth date ? ? 1817
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 09 Feb 1817
Place ALL CANNINGS
Father's first name(s) Patrick
Father's occupation soldier
Mother's first name(s) Virtue
County Wiltshire
Country England
Notes husband in Ireland

Perhaps he wasn't her husband, and being 'in Ireland' was fabrication

Can you say how you know that the mother's birth name was Hiscock?

First name(s) Patrick
Last name Griffin
Birth year 1792
Attestation year 1817
Age at attestation years 25
Age at attestation months -
Birth parish -
Birth town Dunmore
Birth county Galway
Birth country Ireland
Regiment 94th Foot
Discharge corps Connaught Rangers - 88th & 94th Foot
Document type Discharge
Series WO119
Record set British Army Pensioners - Royal Hospital Kilmainham, Ireland, 1783-1822
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
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His discharge paper is on image with this entry,,gives lenghth of service,description and reason for discharge,an injury.
There are other entries dated 1802 but just an entered name.......a William Griffin is also there-brothers,?

Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription.
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First name(s) PATRICK
Last name GRIFFIN
Birth year 1792
Birth parish ARLESS
Birth town MARYBOROUGH
Birth county QUEENS (LAOIS)
Birth country IRELAND
Service number 346
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment Highland Light Infantry - 71st & 74th Foot
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1816
Attestation Day 11
Attestation Month 1
Attestation age years 24
Attestation age months -
Discharge Corps 74TH REGT OF FOOT
Discharge service number 346
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 860
Box Record Number 76
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
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Thanks Kay, I am relying on info from other family trees but they seem correct as one of the sons has Hiscock as a middle name. All cannings is not a very big place and my husbands family John Griffin 1817 was baptised there along with most of the family. It is odd that Virtue (Vertu) seems to disappear as well. My husbands father said that the family came from Ireland. It is Johns eldest son that carries the Hiscock name.