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This looks like Margaret at Inverkeithing as per the travel record:

1922 BRUCE MARGARET ELIZAB F INVERKEITHING /FIFE 432/00 0039

Well, I think you'd find it hard to argue with the documental evidence - that baptism in same location, same church, same parents as Beatrice Florence's , born within a year of the parents' marriage in the same area.

Also the 1911 Scottish census.

Right grandparents, Robert and Margaret, living in BELLSIDE, SHOTTS, right parents, Jessie and Robert, right age and names for siblings, Beatrice and William.

Also aunts Helen, Lizzie and Jeanie tie in with the 1891 census for the Bruce family that Maddie posted, and the age of grandparents Robert and Margaret are also a reasonable match for the 1891 census

The 1911 census states Jessie had 3 children born from her 8 yr old marriage, all still living at the time of the census

From what you said, the bible was not overly informative about birthdates for the other four children etc , so maybe this is another oversight?

Does the bible list the 13 children born to Robert and Margaret?

Did Robert die young, or did he turn out to be the black sheep of the family, never to be mentioned?

Is there a story to be discovered here?

EDIT: Now I've got a proper look at the 1911 census in Scotland, Jessie is born Cornwall, which tallies with the travel info posted earlier, little Robert and Beatrice are born Devon, William is born Cornwall. Jessie's husband Robert is a naval engineer, born Lanark, Cleland. Old Robert is a wine merchant, born Lanark, Dalserf, as was wife Margaret and daurs Helen and Lizzie. Jeanie, like Robert, was born Lanark, Cleland.

Hi Kucinta,
I'll have another look at the Bible but M-in-Law said only 4 children.
Ian

????

Births Dec 1903 Bruce Robert Wallace Devonport 5b 292

The Robert from census 1911 in my post above?

Baptised same church as Beatrice Florence, that safc posted earlier.

First name(s) Robert Wallace<<<<<
Last name Bruce<<<<<
Birth year 1903
Birth date 25 Sep 1903
Baptism year 1903
Baptism date 19 Nov 1903
Denomination Anglican
Place Devonport, St James the Great
Father's first name(s) Robert Wallace<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Jessie<<<<<<
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 189
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms

Address 5 Hamilton street Keyham. Father's occupation, just has CRA

EDIT: just looked at the image for the baptism of Beatrice Florence Bruce posted earlier by safc - there the address is 26 Avondale Terrace, and father's occupation is ERA.

A fifth child?????????

1911 census Scotland

Shotts Cleland

No 23 Bellside Cottage

Rooms with 1 or more windows : 5

Number of people in house: 10

Robert Bruce head 70 married
Margaret Bruce wife 71 married 51 years 13 children born, 9 still living
Helen Bruce daur 58 S[ingle]
Lizzie Bruce daur 39 S
Jeannie Bruce daur 22 S
Robert Bruce jr son 29 married
Jessie Bruce daur in law 27 married 8 yrs 3 children born, 3 children still living
Robert Bruce grandson 7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<??????
Beatrice Bruce daur 6
William Bruce son 2

(both Beatrice and William had 'do' for ditto to 'grand' in line above, then crossed out)

So is Robert aged 7 the third child for Jessie????

If so, when born and what happened to him?

No birthplaces recorded.

Cheers greyghost :-)

Looking at Ancestry for that 1929 sailing, the ages are given as Robert Bruce 47 Engineer, Jessie wife 47, Beatrice 23 Domestic, , William 20 Farming, Bertram 16 Farming and Margaret 6 Nil. They are travelling 3rd class at the £10 rate, last address in UK 11 Newton St, Edinburgh

Thanks SAFC very much appreciated.

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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

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First name(s) JESSIE
Last name BRUCE
Gender Female
Age 47
Birth year 1882
Marital status M
Occupation WIFE
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
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Entering the details into my Ancestry I've found that according to this
"travelling with Robert Bruce an engineer aged 47
his wife Jessie aged 33"
that would make her DOB 1896, her marriage to Robert is stated as 1902 and 2 of the children being before child bearing age!!!
Any idea's please.

PURE BRILL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plymouth Baptism Register Transcription
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First name(s) Beatrice Florence
Last name Bruce
Birth year 1905
Birth date 11 Feb 1905
Baptism year 1906
Baptism date 15 Mar 1906
Denomination Anglican
Place Devonport, St James the Great
Father's first name(s) Robert Wallace
Mother's first name(s) Jessie
Mother's last name -
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference -
Page 56
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Name: Bertram H Bruce
Mother's Maiden Name: Webber
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Liskeard
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page:
Name: Beatrice Florence Bruce
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Devonport
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 297

Name: William Arthur Bruce
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Liskeard
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 47

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Bruce Robert William Devonport 5b 809
Webber Jessie Devonport 5b 809

OH WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks Maddie your a star :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Hope to find out details about Jessie now. the Mum-in-Law thinks she came from Spain

if that is them, from the arrival sheet, Robert from Lanarkshire, Jessie from Cornwall, beatrice aged 23 from pob davanport, Willliam aged 20 pob Looe, Bertram aged 16 pob Looe, Margaret aged 6 pob Inverkeithling

Name: Bertram Bruce
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 24 Feb 1929
Vessel: Andania
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Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland

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First name(s) BEATRICE
Last name BRUCE
Gender Female
Age 23
Birth year 1906
Occupation DOMESTIC
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
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Name: Bertram Bruce
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 16 Feb 1929
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Andania
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Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 145934
Master: E Edkin

travelling with Robert Bruce an engineer aged 47
his wife Jessie aged 33
william ????
margaret aged 6
Elizabeth Black aged 64

address 11 newton street edinburgh

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First name(s) BERTRAM
Last name BRUCE
Gender Male
Age 16
Birth year 1913
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1929
Departure day 15
Departure month 2
Departure port GLASGOW
Destination port HALIFAX
Destination HALIFAX
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name ANDANIA
Ship official number 145934
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name EDKIN
Shipping line CUNARD
City GREENOCK
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 9957
Ship registered tonnage 8391
Number of passengers 182
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
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State First name(s) Last name Title
- ROBT BRUCE -
- JESSIE BRUCE -
- BEATRICE BRUCE -
- WM BRUCE -
- MERGT BRUCE -

No, Maddie the children's names don't match up.

Thanks Maddie
I have the majority of that, its the descendants that my M-in-Law is looking for.