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Delores may not be looking for answers now

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/success_stories/thread/1353566

I had posted the info that the daughters were in the Children's Aid Shelter in 1916 ...

I would agree that the marriage to Powell seems likely for daughter Clara Josephine born 1900 in Winnipeg


for info, in one of the many other threads, I believe it was pointed out that Skibbereen is actually in Co Cork and not Tipperary so the Irish censuses seem correct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibbereen

however the father in that Irish Courtney-Sullivan marriage is Sullivan

and the brother in the censuses is Kelleher

... so it's a little confused ...

1901 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z001/pdf/z000020135.pdf
[Wm says his pob=Ireland & relig=Presby & dob=25/10/1873
1901 Schedule 2 (with his street addy) seems to be missing.]

The rego district for Skibbereen is Skibbereen - Skibbereen is abt 65km SW of Cork and abt 20km SE of Bantry.
Although Wm's attestation has been altered to show his yob=1876, the original year before alteration was 1873.

1906 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e049/e001206446.pdf

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Manitoba / Winnipeg / 83 Winnipeg / page 32
20 335 Lavett William 1448 Arlington M Head M 1875 35
21 335 Lavett Graice F Wife M Sep 1882 28
22 335 Lavett Graice Maud F Daughter S Sep 1902 8
23 335 Lavett William M Son S Jul 1908 2
24 335 Courtney William M Roomer M 1872 38
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001956250.pdf
[I had difficulty transcribing Wm's occup, and thought his occup code might help:
7 Manufactures - Food and clothing
6 Employees, workers, operators, skilled workers
7 03 Drug manufacturer
Although it's a couple of months since the 1911 UK census, I presume Clara & the girls are still with her bro]

1916 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21934/pdf/31228_4363963-00649.pdf
[Childrens Aid Shelter - 101 Mayfair Ave. It's just S of the Assiniboine R, near The Forks]
[Wm will be off in Camp Hughes - Clara is not at 461 Henry.
I didn't manage to find the Macrae Block (616 1/2 Main St) in 1916, and there's no Courtneys there in 1921 - check out Davidson Anderson]

I wonder abt:
GROOM'S LAST NAME: POWELL
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM JOHN
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: COURTNEY
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: CLARICE JOSEPHINE
DATE OF MARRIAGE: 16/08/1922
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1922,029148

Anyone can search 1921 and get images, transcriptions for free, but only via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
[Don't let Ancestry bounce you to another of their sites]

Maybe this guy:
Name: Wm John Powell
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1901
Birth Place: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father Birth Place: Ontario
Mother Birth Place: England
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Manitoba
District: Winnipeg South
District Number: 4
Sub-District: Winnipeg (City)
Sub-District Number: 2
City, Town or Village: Winnipeg
Section Number: 331 Assinchorne Ave
Municipality: S Wpg
Occupation: Salesman
Income: 1150
Household Members:
Name Age
James Arnott 49
John James Gunia 36
Grace Hope Gunia 34
Cecil James Gunia 3
Eugene Brame 23
John Connor 29
Hugh Mc Kay 29
Herbert L Midforth 40
Mamie Campbell 31
Robert W Springay 20
Wm John Powell 20
Holman Ray Geo 2


There is a 1911 census aid showing which streets various subditricts (EDs in UK terminology) cover:
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/data/census/1911/winnipeg/
There are also a couple of maps there, both orientated such that N is at right edge.
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/data/census/1911/winnipeg/winnipeg1920.jpg
Donald & Assiniboine is 4 blocks W of Main, just N of the Assiniboine R.
Patrick crosses Logan 8 blks W of Main. Henry is one blk N of Logan, and 461 is at the junction of Patrick & Logan.
Redwood Bridge crosses the Red R abt 2km N of Logan (although one might think it's the Hespelier Ave Bridge based on the 1920 map).
Arlington is 9 blks W of Main - Manitoba & Pritchard are 5 & 6 blks S of Arlington.


Wm's CEF service file contains some puzzles.
I think you should try and find his pre-WW1 record on FMP/GR's
British Army Service Records 1760-1915
There's 41 hits for W/William Courtney.
It's a puzzle to me when he served - I guess the 7y with the Poyal Irish Fusiliers was around 1891-1898, but when he did 3y with the RFA is a mystery.
On p 17 of the record, on 17/8/1916 he says his mum was Ellen McNulty Courtney - she's a widow living in "Skipperine Co Tipperary".
So who was she? Searching in 1911 Tipperary gets no hits at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

However, there is a Co Cork hit:
1911 Residents of a house 11.1 in Lucia Place (Monkstown, Cork)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Courtney Ellen 70 Female Wife Roman Catholic County Cork - Can read only - Widow - - - -
Keleher Thomas 75 Male Brother Roman Catholic County Cork - Can read only Irish and English Single - - - -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003952049/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003952050/ [poor-law union=Cork so rego district=Cork]

1901 Residents of a house 11.1 in Lucia Place, Passage West (Monkstown, Cork)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Courtney Michael 52 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Cork Naval Pensioner Read and write - Married -
Courtney Ellen 50 Female Wife R Catholic Co Cork - Read and write - Married -
Kellepew Thomas 64 Male Brother in Law R Catholic Co Cork Labourer (Dock) Read Irish and English Not Married -
Morrisey Denis 25 Male Boarder R Catholic Co Cork Coach Man Domestic Servant Read and write - Not Married -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000509668/
[I read Michael's age as 59]

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH

Marriage of MICHAEL COURTNEY of 16 WARRENS LANE and ELLEN SULLIVAN of 16 WARRENS LANE on 27 April 1879
Name MICHAEL COURTNEY ELLEN SULLIVAN
Address 16 WARRENS LANE 16 WARRENS LANE
Occupation N/R N/R
Father DAVID COURTNEY PATK SULLIVAN
Mother N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Recorded Parochial Area SOUTH PARISH (ST FINBARRS)
Witness 1 MICHAEL O SULLIVAN (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND)
Witness 3 BRIDGET DINEEN (WITNESS FOR WIFE)
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R 43 CR-RC-MA-22305 cork & ross.south parish (st. finbarrs).p4780.00302

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/93daa70021276 [with image link]
The date is wrong for Wm's birth, so maybe Ellen's his step-mum.

Just find all your threads and add a last 'thank you' post. Don't delete them in case you need to refer or add to them in the future.

I have all the information now on William Joseph Courtney and his family, both in England and Canada. Also the information relating to his military both in the UK and Canada. Thank you all for helping me find all this.

Can I close out all the threads pertaining pertaining to the following;

William Joseph Courtney -
Rose McNaulty
Josephine Clara Jago
George Crummy

Regards

Dolores

The suggested imigration record was posted earlier in the thread. Here is the relevant part again

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name COURTNEY
Gender Male
Age 18
Birth year 1873
Marital status S
Occupation BLACKSMITH
Departure year 1891
Departure day 21
Departure month 8
Departure port LONDONDERRY
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Ship name CITY OF ROME

So it left Londonderry on 21 Aug 1891 and docked in New York.

A link to the Canadian military records was posted on one of your other threads. This is the link. Just click on it to take you to the site. Apparently it will take a while to load
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2054-S008

It's possible that his UK service records aren't on line, or have been lost/destroyed
The following link leads to the National Archive site
http://tiny.cc/utgw0x
It talks about Muster and Pay Rolls which can be used to trace the service of soldiers who served in the British Army between around 1730 and 1898 but who were not discharged to pension. They are NOT on line.

The Military Record thread is
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353240
You called it Service records/history. It is on Military Chat
...

If you are 'missing' information because you find reading threads confusing, why not print them out then if necessary cut the page into individual posts and put them in order.

Dolores, the confusion is caused by the multitude of threads that you have posted about this person, not all of them with the same details.

The main rule on this site is not to post more than one thread about the same person.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353508

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353240

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353404

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1353460

And I don't think that I got them all.

I have got all the right information re William Joseph Courtney's birth, marriage, siblings. Am still trying to find his military records in the UK and when he immigrated to Canada.

Sorry for all the confusion

Dolores

Thank you Jacqueline. OH thinks our mouse has 'had it'. :-D

Dolores has a plethora of threads about this..........



Detective

I C&P'd as per your request........ :-S

I have no idea what thread this relates to, or whether there have been more threads posted while I was looking, or whether anyone has sorted out WHO Dolores is looking for, or whether this has already been posted ................

the 1901 household in Manitoba posted above was

Wm J. Courtney 27
Clara Courtney 21
Clara Courtney 0

that household is still present in the 1906 census + younger daughter Maud


in 1916 the two daughters are in a Children's Aid Shelter in Winnipeg

Name: Maud Courtney
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 13
Est. Birth Year: 1903
Birthplace: Manitoba
Home in 1916: 10, Winnipeg South, Manitoba
Address: No, 101, Mayfair Ave
Racial or Tribal Origin: English

Name: Clara Courtney
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Est. Birth Year: 1901
Birthplace: Manitoba
Home in 1916: 10, Winnipeg South, Manitoba
Address: No, 101, Mayfair Ave
Racial or Tribal Origin: English

this suggests that the father was in the military per the records cited above (mother was Ellen, wife was Josephine Clara) but where the mother had got to is the question since it appears from the military records that she was living in 1916

no subsequent marriage or death is recorded for any of the parents or daughters in Manitoba

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php


is there some possibility that Dolores will return to at least one of her threads and give some clear and correct information?

name of William, known facts about him, ...

and do it by posting in the ADD YOUR REPLY box at the bottom of the thread and not by sending another private message to someone ............

A William Joseph Courtney enlisted for WW! in 1916 in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Says he was born 25 Oct. 1876, Skiperine, Tipperary, Ireland. Lived at 461 Henry Ave., Winnipeg. Wife was Ellen. Said he had served 7 years Royal Irish Fusiliers, 3 years R.F.A. as regimental bugler.

Edit: Oh damn, you already had this info on one of your MANY previous threads about this family! AND YOU'RE CONTINUING TO POST MORE!!!

Jacqueline - 'Clara' has her own thread. Thatr info had already been given.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1353488

I can't see a birth for that name in 1880. Where did you get the details from?

this one?

EDIT - Is this her birth (just registered as Clara):-

First name(s) CLARA
Last name JAGO
Birth year 1879
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WINCHESTER
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 107

Kath. x

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1353488
About Clara

Could someone please copy over the births? My C&P is playing up
:-(

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1353463

So, Dolores, you seem to know a lot more than you're letting us know.

For background:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1353240

Possible marriage of the one on the 1901 census?

GROOM'S LAST NAME: COURTNEY
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM JOSEPH
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: JAGO
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: JOSEPHINE CLARA DATE OF MARRIAGE: 23/10/1899
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1899,002556
REGISTRATION DATE:

Possible? Says born Ireland.

Wm J. Courtney

in the 1901 Census of Canada
Record Image Vie

Name: Wm J. Courtney
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 27
Birth Day & Month: 25 Oct
Birth Year: 1873
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1891
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Presbyterian
Occupation: Laborer Farm
Province: Manitoba
District: Winnipeg (city/cité)
District Number: 12
Sub-District: Winnipeg (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 4
Sub-District Number: D-8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm J. Courtney 27
Clara Courtney 21
Clara Courtney 0