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I found my grandparents marriage certificate from 1942 so im going to order a copy of that and see if there is any further information on it and then when im on holiday from work in a few weeks do some further investigation.
Im so grateful to everyone who has helped it has been great and a great starting place. :-D

Emily was born at.

33 William St Glasgow,,,,,,,12 April 1896.

Parents John and Elizabeth formally Cove who state they married in Fermanagh Ireland 1871.William son was born in Ireland --William Charles Rafferty ..26 Nov 1872 in Fermanagh.

def the Emily that travled back from Canada with Ann/a May.

Maybe it would be possible to get a birth certificate from Canada,,,,,,,they do have certain criteria rules there though .

Thank you everyone im looking into all the options ive been given :-D

Robert Calquhoun married Elizabeth Jane ,Mouldum/n, 1915 Glasgow,,,,a widow,Robert was also a widower,,,,,,Elizabeth Jane Rafferty previous marriage was to Willam John Muldoon,,,,,,Elizabeths father is John Rafferty ----Labourer (deceased) :-)

The address on image is----

21 Clyde Street Dumbarton.

a copy of Anna May marriage certificate may reveal something.

its a certain match for the same Rafferty family.

Emily immig form:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-15165/jpg/30927_2000917877-01927.jpg
There's no info on back side of form:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform/data2/dm10/d10/006003/t-15165/jpg/30927_2000917877-01928.jpg

One of Emily's sisters was Jane b 1875, so this makes her a little old to marry but

Again without credits I can't look further , but there is a marriage in 1915 between a Robert Colquhoun and a Jane Rafferty. This is the only Colquhoun/Rafferty marriage between 1890 and 1923. It is in Glasgow City

The problem with that, greyghost, is that Emily's last permanent residence was Scotland whereas Ann May's was Canada.

In one of your posts Elaine you say you THiNK her Mum was Elizabeth. Could it have been Emily who came home with her own child and then had her adopted?

There's this one on the 1921 census in Lancaster, Ontario, very close to me but quite a distance from Toronto. It says she emigrated 1921.

Elizabeth S Rafferty

in the 1921 Census of Canada
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Name: Elizabeth S Rafferty
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Birth Place: Scotland
Year of Immigration: 1921
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Glengarry-Stormont
District Number: 81
Sub-District: Lancaster (Township)
Sub-District Number: 32
City, Town or Village: Lancaster Township
Street or Township: Lancaster Tp
Municipality: Lancaster
Occupation: Saleswoman
Income: 500
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Allan McIntosh 66
Mary M McIntosh 56
John A McIntosh 18
Susan C McIntosh 25
Ann A McIntosh 18
Violet McIntosh 16
Donald J McDonald 33
Elizabeth S Rafferty 32

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Image shows she was a Domestic, last UK address The Salt Box, Limpsfield, Surrey

Emily Rafferty in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Emily Rafferty
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1896
Departure Date: 5 Oct 1923
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Antonia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Antonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 145937
Master: J Marshaw

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The Salt Box, Limpsfield
Description: The Salt Box
Grade: II
Date Listed: 19 November 1984
English Heritage Building ID: 287833
Location: B269, Limpsfield, Surrey RH8 0SZ
Locality: Limpsfield
Local Authority: Tandridge District Council
County: Surrey
Country: England
Postcode: RH8 0SZ

I believe that the UK incoming passenger list that greyghost posted is little Ann May being brought to Scotland by Emily Rafferty who seems to have gone to Canada in order to bring back Ann May since Emily gives last permanent residence as Scotland and Ann May as Canada.

Now there is a Emily Rafferty who sailed to Canada in 1923. She was aged 27. She gives her last address as The Salt Box, Limpsfield, Surrey.

Emily Rafferty

in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
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Name: Emily Rafferty
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1896
Departure Date: 5 Oct 1923
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Antonia
Search Ship Database: Search for the Antonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 145937
Master: J Marshaw

On her arrival in Canada she give as the object in going to Canada as "I would like to beside my sister" (as written). She's heading to Salvation Army, Toronto. Her nearest relative at home was Mrs.? R. Colquhoun, sister, 21 Clyde St., Dumbarton, Scotland.

Emily Rafferty

in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
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Name: Emily Rafferty
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Birth Place: 21 Willam St Glasgow
Age: 27
Date of Arrival: 14 Oct 1923
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Antonia

Does any of this make any sense?

Mr Gran Anna May was born in Canada and i think the first lot of information given was closest. i'm not sure if her mum Elizabeth died in Canada or brought my gran over to Scotland knowing she was ill and then died here.
There was only my gran she didn't have any brothers or sisters
I don't know if Elizabeth was originally from Scotland or possibly Ireland (i have something in the back of my mind about Ireland).
I appreciate all the help.

I wonder if one of the older sons of the family emigrated to Canada and had a daughter called Elizabeth or a daughter Elizabeth did herself?

The 1911 Scottish census is only available on Scotland'sPeople a pay to view site - very reasonable - 30 credits for £7 - 5 credits would buy you a copy and you can download.

I don't have credits at the moment but a quick free look shows 15 Elizabeth Rafferty's born in Glasgow City (inputted under County) 1880-1905. You can further look under District to see how many were born in each Glasgow District still for free, but have to start using credits to see more than that.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
79, Gairbraid Street, Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rafferty Head Married Male 30 1851 Iron Foundry Lab Ireland
Elizabeth Rafferty Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Ireland
William Rafferty Son - Male 8 1873 Scholar Ireland
Jane Rafferty Daughter - Female 6 1875 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Rafferty Son - Male 4 1877 - Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Joseph Rafferty Son - Male 2 1879 - Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Same family 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Belfort Street, Barony, Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Rafferty Head Married Male 39 1852 Labourer Ireland
Eliza Rafferty Wife - Female 38 1853 Labourers Wife Ireland
William Rafferty Son Unmarried Male 18 1873 Labourer Ireland
Eliza Jane Rafferty Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1875 Domestic Servant Partick, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Rafferty Son Unmarried Male 14 1877 Message Boy Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Joseph Rafferty Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander Rafferty Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessie Rafferty Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Sarah Rafferty Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Rafferty Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland

??? I like the way Eliza is written as Head but "Kept by Family"

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Campbell Street, Glasgow, Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Eliza Rafferty Head Widow Female 46 1855 Kept By Family Ireland
Joseph Rafferty Son Single Male 21 1880 Apprentice Bottle Worker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alexander Rafferty Son Single Male 19 1882 Apprentice Bottle Worker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessie Rafferty Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Confectionery Worker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Sarah Rafferty Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Confectionery Worker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Rafferty Son - Male 13 1888 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Emily Rafferty Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland <<<<<<<<

thatnks i'll have a look at this one (when i finish work lol)

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Ann May Rafferty in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Ann May Rafferty
Birth Date: abt 1921
Age: 4
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 29 Apr 1925
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Andania
Search Ship Database: Search for the Andania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 145934

There is this one, destination Scotland but aged 4 so born c 1921

Emily Rafferty a Domestic aged 29 along with 4 year old Ann May Rafferty an Infant

They are under a heading of Deported (along with others). The Proposed address in UK is written as 21 Russel Street, Glasgow, Scotland with Scotland as the Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence.

Emily's Country of Last Permanent Residence is given as Scotland and Ann's as Canada

It would definitely Jacqueline as from what i know she was sent to this country for adoption as they were unable to find her father when her mother died and she was still young.

There should be a record of her arrival in the UK...............I can't access it, as I don't subscribe to Ancestry, but I'm sure some kind member who does will take a look.

It will be interesting to see who she was travelling with