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http://archivedatabases.cheshire.gov.uk/RecordOfficeWillEPayments/details.aspx?id=23728

(perhaps his Will above, might be on FMP)


First Name: JAMES
Surname: THORNELEY
Place: DISLEY
Occupation GENTLEMAN
Date 1826
Will: Yes
Notes: ONCE OF STOCKPORT

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/2cc486cc-0f22-4ab7-974c-4f14c70be0d8

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/ff1dc68f-bf63-42e0-bda7-f188a712976f

(possibly relating, John Thorneley perhaps)

Possible for James marriage? Would put his birth c 1733 which would work for Detective's moons theory.

England, Cheshire, Marriage Bonds and Allegations
Name James Thornley
Event Type Intended marriage
Event Date 26 Oct 1762
Residence Place Stockport, Chester
Gender Male
Age 29
Marital Status Batchelor
Spouse's Name Susannah Hargrave
Spouse's Age 23
Spouse's Marital Status Spinster

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James Thorneley
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name James Thorneley
Event Type Christening
Event Date 27 Jan 1733
Event Place , Stockport, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name Thomas Thorneley
Mother's Name Deborah
CITING THIS RECORD

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ1H-D82 : accessed 11 November 2015), James Thorneley, 27 Jan 1733, Christening; citing 4, , Stockport, Cheshire, England, Record Office, Chester; FHL microfilm 2,145,837.

Not my moon theory, but MarieCeleste :-D

The only FMP entry on the Cheshire Wills index, despite putting in 1826 is

First name(s) John
Last name Thorneley
Occupation Weaver
Residence Great Bolton
Probate year 1814
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Wills and Probate

Image reads
24th Oct Before J Brocklebank (Senior?)
Will and Codicil of John Thornley lart of Great Bolton weaver deceased was Proved and Admon granted unto James Robinson, Richard Eckersley and James Thornley the son of the above Executors. Under £300.

Apologies Marie Celeste and Detective!

No problem!

May be the 1826 Will contains instructions regarding his MI and the reason. If David didn't want to pay the £4 for a copy, perhaps the descendents would?

We're all agog now.

Thanks will follow up reference to the will
David

The will is on FMP

First name(s) James
Last name Thorneley
Occupation Gentleman
Residence Disley
Probate year 1826
Will Yes
Codicil Yes
Inventory No
Administration No
Notes Will Supra ONCE OF STOCKPORT
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Wills and Probate
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain

Chris

Doh! So it is.
Its all about bequests – he was a very generous person – but nothing obvious about his headstone.

I'm still confused about why you found it necessary to get the descendants' permission to post details from a gravestone of someone who died almost 200 years ago? This couple possibly have hundreds of descendants, even thousands. Did you contact them all?

According to the link I posted, it was his express wish that his age be shown in moons on both his headstone and on the plate on his coffin.

He was a very eccentric man, and obviously had some odd ideas.

ANDYSMUM
Gosh - thanks for that link - it is all becoming clearer...........
David

DetEcTive
You sound as though you have seen his will ????
Please tell me how to do so
David

Do you have access to Findmypast? If not, you could take out a free 14 day trial – make sure that you turn auto-renew off if you choose to do that.
Some libraries have access under licence. It’s worth checking.

If you don’t have access, we’d be happy to download and forward to you.

Select All Categories.
Complete first and last name boxes James & Thorneley
Put 1826 in the When box (my earlier mistake was putting the 1826 in the Death box)
Then Cheshire Wills and Probate as the Record set

The top result of 3 is the one you want.
Transcript is as Chris in Sussex posted

First name(s) James
Last name Thorneley
Occupation Gentleman
Residence Disley
Probate year 1826
Will Yes
Codicil Yes
Inventory No
Administration No
Notes Will Supra ONCE OF STOCKPORT
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Wills and Probate
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain

Click on the View Image button.
To the right of the image is a >
By clicking the > , the next page will load. There are at least 4, possibly 5 images. When there are no more > then you’ve read the last related image.
…..

To be honest, it took a number of tries to re-find it. Persevere!

DetEcTive
Very many thanks - I have passed on your message to the descendant of James Thorneley and will let you know how we get on..........
I think he will be very pleased
David

DetEcTive
I followed your instructions and got there without any trouble!
Very many thanks again
David

Phew! Glad it worked.
Its just a pity that he didn't leave instructions in his Will about the headstone. He might be chuckling if he were to realise how, nearly 200 years later, total strangers are trying to discover the reasoning.