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I am trying to find a William Hines born 1852. He was married to Elizabeth Ann Hines (Nee Davies) . He died around 1880. I can't find a link or his death. This makes it hard to continue.

location?

Is this the marriage you refer to - it's the only one coming up for the name combination.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name HINES
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1875
MarriageFinder™ WILLIAM HINES married one of these people
ELIZABETH DAVIES, ELIZABETH CLITHEROE
District PRESTWICH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 685

The marriage certificate would confirm ages (as given at the time) , occupation of William and the name and occupation of his Father which might help to find him in earlier census.

Marriage from lancsbmd

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HINES William DAVIES Elizabeth Newton Heath, All Saints Archives+, Manchester Central Library 101/2/34

Could this be the death - earlier than you thought? Where do you have the dates 1852 and 1880 from?

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name HINES
Gender Male
Birth year 1853
Age 23
Death quarter 1
Death year 1876
District PRESTWICH
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 357

And from lancsbmd (Failsworth is in Prestwich RD)
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
HINES William 23 Failsworth Archives+, Manchester Central Library FAI/10/303

??? Possible for Elizabeth in 1881 - but it does say she is married, not widowed, although that doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't a widow. It's the right area for the marriage in 1875.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
98, Droylsden Road, Newton, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Brown Head Single Female 51 1830 Annuitant Newton Heath, Lancashire, England
Charles Brown Son Single Male 22 1859 Labourer In Iron Works Newton Heath, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Hines Boarder Married Female 31 1850 Cotton Winder Salford, Lancashire, England
William Hines Boarder Son Single Male 4 1877 - Newton Heath, Lancashire, England

? Birth of the William above. So born anytime from mid August onwards if the full 6 weeks was taken before the registration happened following the birth

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
Hines William Prestwich 8d 363

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HINES William Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/59/25

Name:
William Hines[Willaim Hines] Labourer

Birth Year:abt 1853

Age:22

Marriage Date:25 Dec 1875

Parish:Newton Heath, All Saints

Parish as it Appears:Newton Heath

Father:William Hines Plumber

Spouse: Elizabeth Davies

Spouse Father:
William Davies
[Willaim Davies]

Reference Number:M362/1/3/2
Item Number:3
Archive Roll:805

Could this be William in the 1861 census (living in Newton which is where the marriage took place and also the son was born)? :-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Ashcroft Street, Newton, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Roger Head Married Male 47 1814 Weaver Cotton Wales
Eliza Roger Wife Married Female 36 1825 Weaver Cotton Salford, Lancashire, England
James Roger Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Flag Maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Hargreaves Mother In Law Widow Female 59 1802 Charwoman Cheshire, England
William Hine Boarder - Male 8 1853 Scholar Lancashire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas Lane Lodger Widower Male - - Black Printer Manchester, Lancashire, England

Kath. x

The 1851 census for the family KathleenBell found in 1851. FMP have made a real pigs ear of the transcription.

William Rodgers is a Power Loom Weaver

Catherine is Hargreaves and I think all the Hines relationships are to her

Hiam's are Hines - Loni is Levi, Hannah is Henry

Thomas and James RODGERS are Son to the Head

Sarah Daries is Davies

So all in all the Hines' and Davies' look to be interconnected

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Black Burm Buildings, Newton, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Rodgers Head Married Male 37 1814 Pori Loon Ituren Wales
Elizabeth Rodgers Wife Married Female 37 1814 Pori Loon Ituren Salford, London, England
Catharine Hairres Mother In Law Widow Female 49 1802 House Keeper Cheshire,
Loni Hiam Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Selfneting Licen Manchester, Lancashire, England
Peter Hiam Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Selfneting Licen Manchester, Lancashire, England
Hannah Hiam Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Selfneting Licen Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Hiam Daughter In Law Married Female 21 1830 Selfneting Licen Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Hiam Grand Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 - Newton, Lancashire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<
Charlotte Hiam Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Puccer In Silk Hill Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Roger Son In Law Unmarried Male 10 1841 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Roger Son In Law - Male 7 1844 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane Hine Daughter - Female 4 1847 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Daries Niece - Female 3 1848 At Home Cheshire, England

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tonge Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Catherine Hine Female 35 1806 -
Eliza Hine Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Levi Hine Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
Peter Hine Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
Henry Hine Male 8 1833 Lancashire, England
Charlotte Hine Female 5 1836 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Manning Female 20 1821 -

?? John Hargreaves married Catherine Hines

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN
Last name HARGREAVES
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1844
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN HARGREAVES married one of these people
MARY CROMPTON, JANE WATERHOUSE, SARAH FOWLER, CATHERINE HINES
District MANCHESTER
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 20
Page 546

There are several John Hargreaves deaths 1844-1851 in Manchester and yet more in Lancs

to add more details to the marriage of William & Elizabeth

Elizabeth was age 26 and her father William was a block printer

witnesses John Powell & Mary Davies

https://familysearch.org/search has baptisms to Peter and Catherine Hine/s and also under HINDS, which include -

Name Levi Hines
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 Aug 1826
Christening Place CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name Peter Hines
Mother's Name Catherine
CITING THIS RECORD

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYG7-BZP : accessed 7 February 2016), Peter Hines in entry for Levi Hines, 13 Aug 1826; citing CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 438,169, 438,170.

are you sure William died before 1881 census

this 1891 fits with the Elizabeth found in 1881 shown above as married but not with William and with the ages on the marriage certificate

Name Age
William Hines 38 - general labourer born Liverpool
Elizabeth Hines 41 - cotton winder - born Salford
William Hines 14 - errand boy born Newton Heath

I think, looking closer at the 1851 census original that Henry Hines is married. It would then make sense that Mary Ann on the line below is Henry's wife and William was their son. And perhaps his age says 4 months not 4. ?????

William Hines
England Births and Christenings
Name William Hines
Gender Male
Christening Date 20 Apr 1851
Christening Place Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Birth Date 17 Dec 1850
Birthplace Manc'r
Father's Name Henry Hines
Mother's Name Mary Hines

Henry Hine
mentioned in the record of Henry Hine and Mary Ann Platt
Name Henry Hine
Spouse's Name Mary Ann Platt
Event Date 31 Mar 1850
Event Place Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
CITING THIS RECORD

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJTM-PYV : accessed 7 February 2016), Henry Hine and Mary Ann Platt, 31 Mar 1850; citing Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 438,208, 438,209, 438,210, 438,211, 438,212.

And from Lancs bmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HINE Henry PLATT Mary A Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/76/194

Greyghost, My goodness what did I get into. Thank you very much for your messages I do have the Marriage Cert of William Hines and Elizabeth Davies. attending was Elizabeths Sister Mary Davies and John Powell. William's Father as a plumber. I can find a William Hines a Painter in Chorlton on Medlock born Ireland 1828. That is the link I am trying to make. The other thing is on my Grandfather's wedding in 1899 it has his father William down as deceased. Grandfather was born 1979 so his Father died presumably around those years. I do thank people who have given me lots of info and advice.
Your's John Hines

working on the principle that William died between 1877 & 1899 - (you did say earlier that he was born c1877 not 1879 and his marriage cert confirms that)

If the 1891 census I posted is correct then this could be Williams death

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District
HINES William 38 Audenshaw

a tree on ancestry has it as 24th May 1891 but there is no back up death cert listed. Some of the other facts on the tree tie in but others just seem to have been
made to fit

there is this possibility as well

Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
Haines William 48 Prestwich 8d 299

Do you know if the family were RC at any point?

I would like to thank all the members for their help. William Hines b 1854 has been a big stumbling block for me over the years. I was told by an Uncle many years ago William was born in Liverpool of Irish Parents. His Parents came from County Wicklow.
His Father another William. I tried to trace when we went to County Wicklow in 1995. This was a fruitless journey. Time was a factor as we were on holiday from Australia.
Other people in my immediate Family came up with William Hines Family in Chorlton M/c. He was a Painter and not a Plumber as was on the Wedding cert of William and Elizabeth ann Davies. I could not find a link to join up. William born 1854 died at a young age. How where and when has been extremely difficult. Lancashire Ann found a Cheshire Death Index but there was no Death cert listed. Still not giving up. John Hines Kiama Australia